The Michael Mann poll

hopkins gets all the credit but jodie foster just effing crushes it in that movie

and tony heald obv

I likned to this way above, but I do love the fake trailer Mann made for Mercedes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCLxp2W9xE

i think Manhunter must've been shot on a shitty film stock or something (this was a problem for a lot of 80s movies) because something about the look of it always left me wanting

whoa, tara's alcoholic mom from True Blood is in that mercedes ad!

kind of amazing that del toro hasnt been in a mann movie yet, come to think of it

hopkins gets all the credit but jodie foster just effing crushes it in that movie

feel like hopkins retroactively ruined his performance or maybe it was just martin amis but his scenes w/ foster theyre both completely n/l. foster is amazing throughout tho, agreed

yeah they kill it together, all of their scenes have that crazy psycho/romantic/sexual/etc tension that must have been so stupid in the script but is riveting on screen

I'm sort of surprised at how few of these I've actually seen esp since I love Heat and Collateral. Miami Vice thread making me curious enough that I'm going to watch it tonight. Also Max/Lamp otm re Foster and Hopkins. Watched that again recently and was pretty blown away by just how good they both are together.

Have you seen The Insider, E.? That's my vote for his best.

Nope. I've actually only seen the two I mentioned. Probably gonna be housebound due to snow for the next couple days so might try to squeeze in a couple of these.

I've only seen Heat and Collateral. Heat deserves all the plaudits, while Collateral is somewhere agonisingly between a fun friday-night thriller and a more traditionally 'good' movie. Something like that..

I'm also very intrigued about MV being basically panned on its release, yet resuscitated as this 00s lost classic. There's obviously something to it being the more recent Mann critical consensus rather than Collateral or Public Enemies..

has it really been reappraised anywhere outside ilx tho? was it in many best of decade lists?

Totally....it's high on Slant, Film Comment and possibly a couple of others.

Although Morbius and Eric are bigwigs at Slant, so make of that what you will.

the thing about miami vice is not that it's a bad film, it's just a very unusual one. they sold it like an action movie (of course) and people went in expecting bad boys 3, not some weird existential brooder. i think mann stanns who know his style really get it for the most part, everyone else was flummoxed.

ah, didn't see the film comment list.

i assume the high slant showing is due to morbs putting it at #1.

'weird existential brooder'

-you see, this is the side of the spectrum where Collateral became really interesting. Does MV completely sweep you away like Heat? If i'm into one, would I connect to the other etc etc

manhunter is great you nobbers, this poll is rong

xp Morbius had MV as his no1?? Really? What a taste that man has..

i said it here or on the MV thread but i think mann was trying to do an entire movie of "michael mann moments" if you know what i mean.

yes, miami vice was morbs's #1 and i think master and commander was #2, inception dropped to #3 because of plot holes.

lol

departed and inglorious basterds rounded out the top 5.

Honestly though, what was Morbs's 00s rundown?

I'm pretty sure Brokeback Mountain was in the top three.

Totally baffled by the results of this poll. For me it goes Thief, Heat, Miami Vice, Insider, Manhunter, Collateral, Ali, Public Enemies (not on poll, but it suck-diddly-ucked), and I haven't seen The Keep or The Last of the Mohicans.

BTW, the key to Miami Vice is to watch it with the sound off. Fucking gorgeous movie.

If that's so, should I line up an alternative soundtrack? Would the new Destroyer album work?

same with beautiful women tbrr

It also delves into the drug-cartel world that has more visibly taken over Mexican daily life since its release.

just thinking abt the scene in the diner in Thief where james caan has his perfect little fantasy collage makes me cringe

i do like how brutal the ending is tho

thread making me totes curious abt watching silence again. i guess i loved it when i saw it but its sortof bloated in my memory via hannibal lecter as cartoon villain. like im willing to fall in love all over. manhunter is super creepy and i like the unconventional way its claustrophobic, like i remember these excruciating scenes like joan allen w the tiger where the whole thing is shot w ultrafluorescent ugly striplight brightness

last of the mohicans disappointed the shit out of me but i think i was like eight

i think the mann i have like most has a kindof exhilarating ugliness

i like hopkins' lecter but he is a pantomime villain. cox has an air of contempt that is authentically medical

Red dragon is closer to the source novel but anybody who prefers it to Manhunter can eat poop-flavored Cheerios

Michael Mann in Talks to Develop and Direct Fox Film About 1967 Le Mans

(in short. DO WANT)

The project is based on A.J. Baime’s book "Go Like Hell," which revolves around how the Ford Co. became the first American car maker to win the famous European car race over Ferrari.

Michael Mann is in talks with 20th Century Fox to develop and potentially direct Go Like Hell, the real-life story of the famous competition between the Ford Motor Co. and Ferrari that led to Ford winning the Le Mans in 1967.

Ford was the first American car maker to win the world’s oldest car race, held in France. For years, Ferrari had dominated the contest.

Based on A.J. Baime’s book, the Fox project recounts how a young Henry Ford II — determined to infuse new life into his family’s company — decided to get into the European racing scene.

With the help of racer Carroll Shelby and Lee Iacocca, Ford built and designed a car that could take on Ferrari cars, known for their speed and style. They ultimately won the Le Mans, the world’s oldest car race that takes place each year in France.

Insiders say the initial idea is for Mann to develop the script.

What Michael Mann can do with sports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55BZ2gSsSmY

The Insider hardly made any impression on me when I saw it first time around, and many years later I still find it very pedestrian. I will say that Pacino's performance has fewer histrionics--none, really--than anything he's done since the '70s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNKmmA6_oTQ

ali still so underrtaed

Very odd to read this for the first time now - the poll results are up first, and I think "Oh well, it's ILX, they were always going to be on Heat's dick", but there's nearly no-one repping for it at the time!

the insider, I don't understand how could anyone say this movie is pedestrian. not a single bad performance, best story, actual things at stake from the real world as opposed to the (...) all style comic book material in heat collateral and miami vice. also, whoever said the slo-mo was bad is crazy, the final scene is one of the most outstanding things I have ever seen, a beautiful philip-lorca dicorcia picture set to motion. it doesn't get much better than this!

This poll didn't get all that many votes imo.

Very odd to read this for the first time now - the poll results are up first, and I think "Oh well, it's ILX, they were always going to be on Heat's dick", but there's nearly no-one repping for it at the time!

Think people just got tired of talking about it even if that's the one they voted for.

yeah, i think everyone feels like Heat's a given

ali still so underrtaed

― J0rdan S., Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:42 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the main problem with this film is it stars will smith as muhammad ali, besides that its p sick

ali isn't very good.

i like when him and frazier ride around in a car together

there's some things to like about it... the opening set to live at harlem club vers of bring it on home to me, so killer. ali walking out into the stadium in zaire. cool mix of video and film. ted levine outta nowhere. but it has the same basic problem as public enemies... neither film has anything interesting to say about ali or dillinger as men