i'm repeating myself at this point (we all are) but i think for the prequels, lucas didn't or for some reason just couldn't understand the story he himself was telling.
the original trilogy of movies are mythic adventure stories. you can be kind of disconnected from real people with real concerns and still tell an exciting story in that mode (in any case, lucas was still "tethered" by other people who had some control over what happened in those productions)
the prequel trilogy is about politics and love, ie human desire on a mass and individual level. the objective of the prequels is to tell how the stark good-vs-evil conflict of the original movies is the result of an earlier world of competing desires. and it's p clear that lucas doesn't have much understanding of that kind of thing at all, least of all the desires of audiences, who he feels will be awed by frame after frame that is at once totally static and crammed to the gills with useless details.
― goole, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
It never really even occurred to me whether Greedo or Han shot first, as it was obv they were never going to kill of Han moments after introducing him. With essential characters the statistics never apply... they always get out by sheer will or magic coincidence/last moment saving, but nonetheless survive. But I guess it really is more of a triviality that nerds like to obsess over just out of nerd-joi, less than any actual theories that had greedo shot first that star wars would have been radically changed as a story.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Friday, 28 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
What if JFK had shot first.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
xp -- i think the idea is that having greedo shoot first neuters the content of the scene--that han is a slightly dark character, a rogue, who distracts someone and then casually shoots him dead. greedo shooting makes explicit that han is acting in self-defense. it's ridiculous for two reasons: one, it undermines han's arc in the movie, which is from self-serving rogue to revolutionary soldier; two, it makes "self-defense" absurdly literal, since even in the original version greedo is clearly about to shoot han in the face and it's not like han is gunning someone down in cold blood; three, it makes absolutely no sense that a professional bounty hunter would miss a totally static target from two feet away.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
it's ridiculous for two reasons, and a special bonus reason if you act now.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
a triviality that nerds like to obsess over just out of nerd-joi, less than any actual theories that had greedo shot first that star wars would have been radically changed as a story.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Friday, January 28, 2011 1:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think the complaint is that in 1977 lucas was ok with the idea of one of his heroes being sort of dangerous and adult and morally questionable. but, given the chance to do it over again, he made sure there was no chance the most childish good-guy sensibility isn't threatened at all. it's about lucas withdrawal from an adult world of thinking persons.
xp :)
― goole, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"YOU try simply imagining a universe as unique and in-depth as the star wars one"this is easy, especially given star wars' mashup origins.kurosawa movie + scifi trappings + new age mysticismso:Rashomon + robots & lasers + astrology:
Gemini Jaxon is accused in robocourt of murdering and roboraping Pisces Piscariot, and their memories have been subpoenaed for evidence,but a mysterious syzygy scrambles the data producing a multi-layered and contradictory testimony. The Libra Liberation Front disrupts the trialusing lasers, resuces Gemini Jaxon and they are off to have adventures as seven magnificent cyber samurai.
imagining is easy. selling it is hard. lucas is a good salesman. even for the prequels, I mean we all ended up watching them.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
well, Rashomon isnt exactly the Kurosawa movie that comes to mind! maybe The Hidden Fortress.
― ryan, Friday, 28 January 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i see what you were doing, ha!
― ryan, Friday, 28 January 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJXU7EVXs2A
― H.R. Gigerstuf (latebloomer), Friday, 28 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Friday, 28 January 2011 19:35 (1 hour ago)
it's not just that it horribly alters and largely ruins the Han character, it's that the scene now looks awkward as fuck. As does Han stepping over Jabba's tail and all the other bullshit that's in the "special editions."
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 28 January 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
oh myhttp://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/george-lucas-has-50-hours-of-star-wars-tv-series/217089
― piscesx, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
someone stop him - its the wookie xmas special gone mad
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
"waiting for the technology to catch up"
― piscesx, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
4-D reverse time implants.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Eco-friendly solar powered digital hi-def turd polisher
― England's banh mi army (ledge), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
"waiting for the technology to bring the world an even more annoying JAR JAR character. You're welcome world"
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't be surprised if he's waiting for some kind of full actor replacement technology
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Almost -- full audience replacement technology is probably the real dream.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
waiting for the technology that will be able to create software which is able to generate a 50 hour script up to the high standards expected from star wars
shouldn't take too long
― peter in montreal, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if he ever releases all the Star Wars pr0n he has in his vault at Gringolds
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
You know what? I finally have forgiven Lucas for Jar Jar Binks - as I sold the lego figure of him for £7. Damn, people pay a lot for Star Wars lego figures.
― such a shame (jel --), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.warpbreach.com/8/jarjarsuck.jpg
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus, I do really like "Revenge of the Sith" or the "Perils of Emo" as it should be called.
Those Jar Jar things, what are they? That's the stuff of nightmares.
― such a shame (jel --), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh - unpost that!
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
one thing we can all thank Lucas for is the wonderfull "Backstroke of the West"
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a Jar-Jar fleshlight, isn't it
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I just typed that
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Meantime, io9 has things to say about this TV series story.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Those are Jar Jar Binks lollipops, aka the worst marketing idea ever conceived. It's a plastic Jar Jar head with a CANDY TONGUE.
I am not mad at the person who suggested making a candy that would have kids making out with an alien to eat it; that person is hilarious and deserves a medal. I am mad at the person who greenlighted this as a good licensing idea and even went so far as to get engineers to build an assembly line machine that could create candy Jar Jar tongues.
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
50 hours mapped out = 4 characters designed, pilot and second episode written in his head, happy ending planned
― nuclear power, jet propulsion, radar, laser beams, cordless phone (abanana), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
please do not ever use the phrase "happy ending" in conjunction with George Lucas
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
for all we know that's jar jars genital genital
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
jar jars genital genital whut whut
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
jar jar genital genital whut whut cheese cheese
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.filmdailies.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/jarhead.jpg
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish the part of jar jar had been played by Grover
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't even imagine
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Lucas claimed that while TV budgets are one-tenth of those in cinema, the ability to make a credible TV show at such lower costs does not yet exist.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
george lucas knows credibility
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
as long as youcan make light sabers and blaster blasts, if you can write a good story and dialog, its a go. of course I like the terrible BBC doctor who effects too
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
if you can write a good story and dialog
ahhhh
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
there's the rub i guess
the dialog in the second prequel made me want to bash anakin with a jar jar pop
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lucas should be tonguing one of those jar jar pops at every press conference and just wipe his hands and face off with hundred dollar bills when he's done
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the fact that he doesn't dress like Mr. Monopoly is offensive to me
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s255/gallery1988sf/Olly/IMG_1338.jpg
― Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
my 5 year old was finally exposted to the Phantom Menace this week, he did not appear to enjoy any of it
we started watching attack of the clones and he was grossed out by the kissing. However, I thought it was pretty good, having skipped it in the theaters at the time. The scenes with the clones in little bottles was neat, anyway.
― akm, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
the prequels improve in quality as they go along IMO
― Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link