x-post Really? I bet they can muster a percentage of malcontents equal to that of Egypt. But then, Russia seems to be going through a transitional phase.
putin's approval rating was higher than any leader on the planet. medvedev's is lower, but most russians know putin's in charge anyway.
obv there are plenty of malcontents in russia! but no the country as a whole really, really likes him. i kind of wrote about why here (putin doesn't actually get mentioned haha, but after crushing the oligarchs and all the tough talk to chechan/islamic terrorists, his status is a function of the same phenom.)
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry total thread derail. i am actually ashamed of how little i know about the egypt/yemen/everywhereelse situation, even though i've been trying to follow it.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
AKP/ergodan holds a majority in turkey, yes, but theyre hardly hardliners.
― max, Friday, 28 January 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Police firing tear gas into a crowd while they're prostrate for prayers seems like a stupid move. (via aljazeera feed)
― earnest goes to camp, ironic goes to ilm (pixel farmer), Friday, 28 January 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
army opening fire
not good
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
oh shit
― goole, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
No way is foreign policy a motivating factor here in the slightest. We are just bystanders here and should mostly bystand for fear of contaminating whatever good things might emerge.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, January 28, 2011 6:52 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
OTFM
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Muslim Brotherhood, Baradei under house arrest
would guess that Mubarak's speech is gonna be of the "I am not going to step down, return to your homes, protestors will be shot"
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
variety
Clinton calling for Mubarak to restrain security forces and for protestors to be peaceful, respect freedom of information/expression. (real message: US not gonna save ya Mubarak)
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i wouldn't be so sure. if mubarak survives, well, here we are
― goole, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
right
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
but he'll have to figure out how to survive on his own
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow that's really fucking dumb. That's the sort of image that goes right round the world.
― Matt DC, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that's already all over my facebook wall.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
When do the neocons swoop in and start taking credit for all this
― strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, January 28, 2011 10:41 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
they already have:
http://greatsatansgirlfriend.blogspot.com/2011/01/aflame.html
― goole, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
military armored personnel carriers in Alexandria
I think that was just previously fired tear gas floating around...? there was a pretty distinct break in gunfire/noise while the prayers were going on and then as soon as they were over everything erupted again
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
not surprised about the neocons lol
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
what i saw/heard was that the police fired tear gas canisters into the prostrate protestors just before prayers ended, whereupon one of the protestors just threw them back at the police...?
― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Mubarak will no doubt barter with the State Department about getting the Ferdinand Marcos treatment.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
AP saying the foreign ministry is occupied/under attack
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
dudes not to sound too bilderbergy here or anything, but the state department talk about supporting the rights of the egyptian people and the hopes and dreams of the protestors is crafted for your ears, not mubarak's
― goole, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Which is why the statements pale beside the back channel shit that's no doubt going on.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
The 2010 legislative elections vote-rigging has hurt the NDP and Mubarak's legitimacy pretty badly.
― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, we'll see
xp
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It looks to me as if Clinton is angling for a negotiated departure by Mubarak, accompanied by an increase in political freedom. I think the US is aiming to structure the solution in a way that would protect its key interests: the peace treaty with Israel, the Suez canal, and co-operation against terrorism.
from the graun
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
that makes sense
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Beeb reporting protestors are trying to break into the main TV and radio building
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
police van torched
― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
this is terrifying
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
woman on al-jazeera reporting 3 deaths, incl 14 year old boy
I was in Cairo in 2007 and all I can think right now is that, added to the pollution they always have, with fires now raging and tear gas all over the place, the air must be really awful.
― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
protesters trying to swarm ministry of foreign affairs, apparently
― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
:)
― the realest shit i ever took (am0n), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
huh Al Jazeera also reporting that protesters have been welcoming of the military in various places - which is a good sign, I think. if the protesters get the military on their side, Mubarak is fucked.
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
The Egyptian military, famously, haven't fired on the people in generations.
― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
well looks like they're moving in to secure the Foreign Ministry, Ministry of Information, etc so we'll see how this goes
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Sky pointing out that the US spends $1.3bn a year on the egyptian military. They can't fire on the people, that ought to mean.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 28 January 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty sure Egypt is the biggest if not second biggest recipient of US foreign aid
― strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(it's second)
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah yes second biggest. Viva Israel.
― strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 January 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-egypts-day-of-reckoning-2196751.html
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
hillary right now tellin egypt to TURN THAT INTERNET BACK ON
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
TEAR THAT FIREWALL DOWN, MR MUBARAK
^^ this will be a headline soon if it isnt yet
― max, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yes that more what i was reaching for
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
egypt is gone off the net because of u
― am0n, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
de nile of service
― maurice "baby doc" chevalier (brownie), Friday, 28 January 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
interviews on al jazeera seem to pretty much exemplify the state department position here: talking about how we're still besties with mubarak but making really vague remarks about how "our principles" require respect and support for the protesters, and refusing to reconcile or even acknowledge the contradiction while waiting out the crisis to see whom we have to negotiate with at the end.
reporters also keep saying things about the protesters in cairo and suez "welcoming" the military? and shaking hands in the streets? which seems like a really huge deal but which i can't get any details about.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
reports are saying tens of thousands of protesters in egypt - in a city the size of cairo tens of thousands is not that big - def needs to grow to be effective
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― maurice "baby doc" chevalier (brownie), Friday, January 28, 2011 1:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fuckin nailed it
― max, Friday, 28 January 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link