Matrix Revolutions

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haha I heard a kid a few rows back go "UGH" right then

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

also, that one puppydog eyed 'golly gee willickers neo - you sure are swell! can I shine your shoes?' guy that apparently couldn't pass for 18 even though he looked 21-22 to me was the fucking ewoks of the series.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I could've accepted the ewoks if they'd been covered in blood and shooting rounds from their huge mecha-hands.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Roy Jones??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean I wasn't that impressed with the first one, but god it was alot better than the second one - the directors had some sense of how to tell a story, they built up to the over the top actions (lending it some impact), and they understood that vagueness and not filling in the details is the way to go with scifi (ie. showing zion, the council of zion, etc. = showing the old republic, the jedi council, coruscant)(I kept waiting to find out neo had a high midichlorian count). the second was a huge dropoff but had enough of it's own gonzo touches (merv, belluci, all the heebity jeebity mumbo jumbo dormtalk), the third one is just k-meh. fucking awful. talk about ending with a whimper instead of a bang.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

dude roy 'best fighter in the world today pound for pound' jones jr. is in the second one! he's also in the devil's advocate apparently ("uncredited") - him and keanu must be tight!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah that's true!! The directors went through quasi-extras like they were sticks of Fruity Stripe. When we see all the new Zion dudes right at the beginning of Revolutions I was like "who the hell are these guys??" Who cares though I guess, they are pretty interchangeable. Silly humans.

Blount I think you are nostalgic for that feeling that the movie was just a LEETLE cleverer than you. By the second Matrix it was dubious. You either gave it the benefit of the doubt or you didn't. By Revolutions we're five steps ahead and like "hurry up, movie!!!"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

no - by my usual logic I should love the third more than the others, I usually hate pretentious action flicks (hated fight club also)(BIG exception - the hulk)(it helps to be on the verge of suicide when you watch the hulk cuz then you're all 'god this movie is sooo true - NOONE WILL EVER LOVE ME')(haha - last week I watched the hulk and listened to 'the killing moon' over and over again) which is odd cuz I looooove pretention! I think it's just that I know all the fanboy geeks are gonna think it's 'deep' or 'provocative' (see every mid to high brow hype piece on the matrix this spring) when those 'aspects' are usually the weakest part of the movie. (except with second - my reaction to the first one: "it was good when noone was talking", my reactio to the second: "it was good when people were talking" (well not 'people' - was anyone rooting for zion? what bores!), my reaction to the third: "the mc escher part was alright")

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

take occam's razor to this film, and more comes off than the first two. put together.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I finally saw Revolutions tonight. Better than #2, not as good as #1. Shorter (although long) fight scenes, which helped a lot. Still too much Zion focus--I know it's the whole point, but I don't find it interesting. But
CGI insect robots---please stop doing this. Ugh. So fake, so boring.
Psycho-babble...I don't know, I kind of liked it this time.

But please, someone, please explain what happened at the end? Why did Agent Orange blow up? "Everything that has a beginning has a second and third installment..." If it's above, I didn't see it. I don't understand! //stamping foot and frowning// Have I forgotten something from the first 2 that would explain it? I just didn't get it! Forgive me. But help me!

HATED machine god.

― Skottie, Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The Hulk was pretentions? Seemed pretty mindless and gratuitous to me. I loved it.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Why did Agent Orange blow up?

Neo and Agent Smith are opposites. Opposites combined equal zero.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I heard all the babble about balancing the equations. Does an equation only balance when you realize that it's balanced? Or do you have to fly around in the air for 10 minutes first? Why don't they blow up sooner?

― Skottie, Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

That wouldn't make for a very exciting film, then, would it?

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course you're right, they fly around for 10 minutes to keep my rapt attention at a fever pitch. Whoops.

Seriously, I hear you, and thanks by the way for the explanation, but it still is missing a piece for me. Agent Smith and Neo are missing the equals sign or missing the pressing of the "calculate" key, to make the math work and him blow up. As it is, it's too easy, even by the standards of an action movie.

But I did think it was entertaining. Much more so than #2. (It's a bit of a mistake, I think, to consider 2-3 separate films. And not just given the simultaneous production aspects. There's not a full movie in #2. That's why the fight/chase scenes are so long.)

― Skottie, Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't it look like Smith only blew up cause the Machine God "helped"? After Smith takes over Neo's body and we're like "oh well, Smith wins, end of movie" we switch back to "real" Neo and the machines are pumping him full of that orange energy juice (Tang, probably). Pip pop bing bang. But if the Machine God had Norton Anti-Virus all along then why the hell did it need Neo? Maybe Neo was the wake-up call. You can take the sys out of the admin, but you can't take the admin out of the sys - you alway have to get your damn users to blast the viruses out AFTER the infection, they never install the damn updates.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://members.arstechnica.com/subscriptors/x/ratstomper/buy_animatrix.jpg

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 7 November 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm!

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 7 November 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I <3 Penny Arcade.

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I spent the last 2 minutes of the film going "Hmmm, looks like Sydney's Royal Botanical Gardens there"
Eh. Mildly more watchable than the second, but not amazing. Now Return of the Kind is only about a month away though, right? =)

― lyra (lyra), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the best typo ever!

"No more bad folks! The kind are here!" (And yes, less than forty days now...)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw the second one for about 20 mins on video last night before we lost pateince and put something else on instead. I cannot see how 3 can recover from such an egregiously meretricious plummet in the scripting.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I claim most pretentious and poorly phrased sentence on ILM for 2003.

I haven't seen such a terible Hollywood scything of a good good film in the sequel since the Mad Max series. 'Look at our effects'! And it even went all Superman. And the wooden dialogue, straight off a US TV drama! 'I'm taking you off the case, McGonagal!'. Oh, it was dire. I know I'm talking about the wrong movie btw.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, but it went all superman at the end of the first one!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I have seen the film a second time now, having carefully paid attention to the questions that have popped up most frequently by those who've seen it. Maybe I'm getting a bit big in me boots, but please ask away and I'll do my best to answer.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 7 November 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The argument for Hugo Weaving (in which I have no trouble believing, seeing as he is clearly the tragic hero of the story).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Philosophy (any philosophy, even faux) reaching an ends = my immediate skepticism.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw it tonight. i liked one and even two, and i read no reviews of "revolutions" and was not prejudiced against it in any way when i entered the theater, but, after watching it, i felt like it was the worst movie i had ever seen in my life. i am serious. its saddening. i am not gloating, no "HA HA i knew it would suck" from me.

the crowd i watched it with was quite boisterous, and we were all so frustrated by a certain overly-long scene that when it was over, almost everyone in the theater (though not me) began to applaud out of relief. when trinity said "kiss me" about 100 people laughed.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

On the other hand, though, the transexuality of one of the brothers W. comes off here much more interestingly than in the first one.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Er?

*checks up some random news reports*

Goddamn! Fuck the movies, somebody do a documentary on Larry Wachowski instead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously. I can not believe more people don't know about this.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 November 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"Here he is, smack in the middle of this dull philosophy lecture, gnawing through the scenery like he’s William Shatner’s illegitimate son. "

― Skottie, Friday, 7 November 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard that he insists people call him Lara.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 7 November 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Our Lara could take him.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I am afraid to look at this thread in case it has spoilers. Does it? Also, in the fascinating discussion above me, is the general view that the film is good, or is it not good? That's all I want to know. Oh, so I don't have to skim spoilers to find my answer, could you please mark your response FAO me. Thanks, darling.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

most people seem to think it is terrible. and it IS kinda, but i'll stick up for it because i enjoyed it a lot and think there are quite a few great things about it.

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 8 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

My thoughts:

1) They should never have got the Levellers to design the outfits for the hippies of Zion.
2) The hippies annoyed me, they were no rebel alliance, and I thought the 4 hour battle scene was a bit boring.
3) Meatloaf should have been a member of the ruling council of Zion, this would have improved the film 100%
4) The characters didn't crack any jokes, the only funny dude was Agent Smith. I mean, it's not human to be serious every second of the day. Yeah, I know they were fighting for their lives, but still ya know humour could be a good motivator.
5) I am not looking forward to Matrix: Resurrections. Which surely must follow.
6) It was still better than Matrix: Reloaded.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 November 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe holey jumpers are the height of post-apocalyptic chic

jel dude, that '4 hour' battle scene is kinda how i envisage the Transformers movie to be like!

The characters didn't crack any jokes

one of the Hammer (or was it Logos) crew did, can't remember what he said tho.

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 8 November 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"please hammer don't hurt em my ass"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 8 November 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose that it comes down to the fact that I prefer ham to corn :)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 8 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was absolute pants! Absolute pants mixed with a heavy dose of (bad)
http://www.scificollector.stamp-centre.co.uk/scifishop/reddwarf/images/reddwarfmousemat.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, the end shot was the worst shot in any film ever (sorry, stevem! :( ) - I actually felt sick looking at how fake it was (and I love artifice! -)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

And don't tell me there's no such thing as bad Red Dwarf, either!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Red Dwarf became very bad, but i watched large chunks of Revolutions again via the gift of DivX earlier, and i still think it's fine - thought the final scene was okay, kinda expected (tho not with those characters). there are just too many cool things about the film to deride it as trash completely. all 'Neo and Trinity' scenes pretty much sucked granted, but other than that it's still good it's still good.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

actually the scene where they float above the clouds was probably the closest to evoking the feeling I'd hoped the ending would've.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

It may not be the best film of the year, but certainly the most critically underrated.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

no way - Good Boy!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Underrated, not badly rated.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

um, matrix 3 got worse reviews than good boy! (understandable, since it's nowhere near as good as good boy!)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

omg this movie was so lame. its not even good on mushrooms. AND i was at the imax. sheesh.

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Sunday, 9 November 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

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