Dogtooth. Then again I don't like Enter the Void.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 27 January 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Though if you're like me that won't matter because of that whole "shorter" thing.
I caught this on Netflix last night. I was pretty impressed although the last hour dragged badly. My favorite part was the whole sequence of flashbacks to his childhood and the days leading up to his death. That part had the most coherent storytelling plus tons of great cinematography. Also, the whole long scene going from his apartment to the club was very well done. There were so many places that left me wondering how they actually achieved particular shots and effects. I'd love to see some of these techniques deployed in the service of a stronger script.
As it moved on to the endless shots of hovering over the city and then the very long Love Hotel sequence, I started to lose interest, but I could easily sit through the first hour and a half again.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the most exciting film I have seen in my whole life. It didn't feel like two and a half hours because I was stunned and totally absorbed with this idea of a psychedelic out of body death trip. On paper I wouldn't have bought into this concept which is usually quite shite in movies but Noe makes the silent witness to events after his own death section a mix of neon hypnotic psychedelia, realist mundanity and extremity. It is a new approach to film-making to me because I cannot think of any film to compare it to.
The opening credits have set a new standard for creating excitement before the movie has started. In my youth I got into LSD + DMT and had to laugh at how Oscar kept asking the dealer if he had any DMT yet? It used to be very difficult to get that shit where I lived. But this is more than just a "druggy artporn film" (thats what my girlfriend called it before she stomped off to bed after the first hour). I keep thinking about this movie and cant get it out of my head. There are some moments when you wonder if he is just coasting with standard arthouse extremity (graphic sex, graphic car crash, vagi-cam and graphic abortion) but even so he has created a movie that can be expierienced like a great album. Just so exciting.
Enter The Void was my first Noe movie and I have now bought Irriversible which I will probably have to watch alone because my partner will call me a perv.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
man ... DON'T watch Irreversible with your loved ones
― David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
it would be like watching Spanking the Monkey with your mom
― David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
All I know is that a 9 minute scene caused a mass walkout at Cannes. A lady who writes for the Guardian was recently describing how uncomfortable it was watching Black Swan with her mother during the scene when Kunis goes down on Portman.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Love love love this movie.
Is the 9 minute scene the dmt screensaver trip in the beginning? Amazing the cojones to take that from "wow, neat" to "ok this has really been going on for a while now" to LOLZZZZ
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
"wow, neat" to "ok this has really been going on for a while now" to LOLZZZZ
that's kind of the whole movie.
Damo's talking about the 9 minute rape scene in Irreversible i do believe.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
No Hadrian I was referring to a scene from Irreversible, which I haven't seen yet.
I like the way he makes what should be tedious self-indulgence into visceral eye-candy. Like the scene you mentioned, it is brilliant and switches between overwhelming fucked out of your brain-ness and back to reality in a convincing manner.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
A friend watched this at home and like it, tho it literally made him puke.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 February 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I wondered if the short scene in Black Swan of Natalie Portman heading toward Lincoln Center is a little hat-tip to this movie, it being shot from behind her head and all.
― A double shot of Sesame Street (Eazy), Thursday, 3 February 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Aronofsky did that shot a lot in The Wrestler.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 3 February 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
trope stolen from the Dardenne brothers (Belgian, so don't give them a second thought)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 February 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
see how he made that subtle dig there
― Gukbe, Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Loved the first 45 minutes of this, but got diminishing returns as it kept going. Thought the incestual relationship between brother and sister was forced and unbelievable.
― Darin, Thursday, 3 February 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't notice any incest. He sniffs her knickers after dropping some ecstasy, 'something' not quite healthy about their relationship but not outright incest. I would agree that Noe doesn't really work on the characters much and some of the dialogue is messy and disjointed. I think the weakest part of the film is the flashback to Oscar's childhood which is in my opinion a little bit soapish and unconvincing.
A lot of it betrays Noe's catholic boy roots. Right, graphic abortion scene - check. Oedipal complex - check. And the tragic car crash explains why he has a drug problem and his sister is in the sex industry, right. Well I assume he is from a catholic upbringing or has at least grew up in a region and era where catholicism might have 'touched him up'.
I still think this is a great movie. It is what happens outside of the dialogue, acting and plot that is the genius of this movie. It is what made it a new type of film experience for me. I might be misguided, but that is my opinion right now. a truly original approach to film making.
Fucking hell I really am a shit film critic. Dont worry Peter Bradshaw your job is safe.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 4 February 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't notice any incest. He sniffs her knickers after dropping some ecstasy, 'something' not quite healthy about their relationship but not outright incest.
did you forget the part where the movie ends with him inside her vagina
― gr8080, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
his spirit also enters a dude who's fucking her iirc.
― circa1916, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
let's not forget the sister licking his ear
― Darin, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
list thread?
― circa1916, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
He isn't alive at this point, he is a voyueristic eye that is incapable of any kind of interaction with the living world other than watching it. But I suppose a film like this can be interprated in many ways because of its hallucinatory style. Surely you cant fuck your sister when your dead?
The point I was trying to make rather badly was that I didn't think it was a depiction of overt incest. Yes some unsavoury stuff but no sex between them. It is alluded to but is just background stuff really.
For me if this film was character driven it would be a fail. Linda is just a standard tragic hooker character. It still doesn't detract from the film that you dont buy their interaction and are not convinced that they are siblings. For me this is a film about what goes on when you are out of your mind. The plot and dialogue are just the obligatory components of a wafer thin story in this case. That is what excited me about this film, it has been made with little regard for rational movie structure. In my opinion it is a genuine attempt at creating something that is a new way of depicting how life is sometimes experienced.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 4 February 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
love the shit book of the dead dialogue sequence down the stairs to the club
― conrad, Friday, 4 February 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, we do not see them committing the act of incest, but the film makes it clear that they have a rather sexually charged brother/sister relationship. describing it as "incestual" isn't off the mark. anyway, silly details. xpost.
― circa1916, Friday, 4 February 2011 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess my real gripe was the manipulation Noé takes at every given turn - DEAD PARENTS! INCEST! CAR CRASH! - where the premise alone was really cool and unique. I wanted this transcendent experience, but the exploitative trickery just kind of ruined it for me. That said, it was visually stunning and I won't forget it any time soon.
― Darin, Friday, 4 February 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
really wish Noe would get someone to write him something cool. there's a lot of talent there, it's just weighed down by so much dumb.
― circa1916, Friday, 4 February 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
by the time he was smash cutting from the naked mother in the bathtub to fucking the friend's mom i just wanted it to be over. i mean hoo boy.
― Gukbe, Saturday, 5 February 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
If nothing else I've got to hand it to a film where the camera emerging from the womb is the most predictable ending
― Bangelo, Saturday, 5 February 2011 09:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought this movie peaked at the Love Hotel sequence toward the end.
Just finished watching a #$%^ torrent of it on my %$*@ Acer but DAMN. Loved it.
― Ayo Scott (rip van wanko), Sunday, 6 February 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― Bangelo, Saturday, February 5, 2011 9:59 AM (5 months ago) Bookmark
lol
finally got around to watching this on netflix. really liked it. didn't drag for me at all.
funny how this and The Tree of Life are essentially bizarro anti-versions of each other.
I wanted this transcendent experience, but the exploitative trickery just kind of ruined it for me.
this movie isn't reaching for transcendence. it's really thumbing its nose at the idea of transcendence. it's about regression, if anything.
― Rachel Puppetry (latebloomer), Monday, 11 July 2011 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a big flashy dumb trip through a dying idiot's psyche.
― Rachel Puppetry (latebloomer), Monday, 11 July 2011 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
One good thing about watching this at home is that at least you only have the back of one guy's head getting in the way the whole time.
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Saturday, 12 November 2011 09:35 (twelve years ago) link
Haha
― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 November 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
this film is basically tree of life w more dmt and less dinosaurs
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 07:39 (twelve years ago) link
I've watched the opening credits like ten times but never made it more than 5 minutes into the movie itself.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link
Early discussion here Irreversible: C/D but now it seems this film will make its debut at Cannes next week. I reckon it'll be one of the cinematic events of the decade, and to say I'm excited is an understatement.
― sorry for british (country matters), Friday, May 8, 2009 11:15 PM (2 years ago)
lj was right
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
you do realise I still haven't seen it, nor do I particularly want to
no film's worth has travelled with such exquisite inversity to my advancing months as Irreversible's
― once a week is ample, Friday, 20 April 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
hey elge
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
yah i remember u recanting on noé
ive not seen irreversible, i saw seul contre tous years ago and dont remember a lot about it other than it being a fairly impressive first feature with neat godardian intertitles and the glowering visage of the poujadist psycho protag
enter the void tho, is something else
the discourse around his films is dreadful, he alienates the right ppl but typecasts himself as a korine level idiot-visionary in the process
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 20 April 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
how do you make the credits -- is it in after effects?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 April 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
couldn't get on board w enter the void. extremely impressive and well-crafted, a hell of a drug, but whether you take it as an embrace or a repudiation of mystical transcendentalism, it struck me as drivel. perhaps that just makes me "the right people"...
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
no, i would prefer that u liked it
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
dang
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
all of those boorish anglo empiricist EMPERORS NEW CLOTHES, PRETENTIOUS BLOODY OLD RUBBISH critics who insist on getting upset by trier haneke dumont etc are just the worst most tiresome idiots tho
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
i think there is some value to this film and i really liked parts but i was glad to watch it at home on netflix because i really liked being able to FF through some really drawn-out parts (for example, the interminable crane shots over the model of tokyo)
it felt like an undeserved and overlong directors cut of a better movie
― the late great, Saturday, 21 April 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
i really liked being able to FF through some really drawn-out parts (for example, the interminable crane shots over the model of tokyo)
i could watch these shots for hours
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, tbh the crane shots were one of my favorite things about the film. photography and design were great pretty much all the way through. was the story & characters i got tired of.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
really? they were too fake-looking for me, though i really did enjoy the ones at the end where the city was all lit up and "psychedelicized".
i think my favorite parts where the rave/nightclub scene, especially "coming up" part and the part where they're coming down in that glittery underground room full of twinkly crystal stuff and mirrors. that and the abrupt cut from the rollercoaster ride to the *big traumatic event* (trying not to spoil this one though i think it already happened upthread)
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
my favorite part is how he floats in to his sister's vagina
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
dude you could not pay me to float into paz de la huerta's greasy vagina
― the late great, Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link