The Locking of the Avril Thread

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To believe that people didn't have a vested interest in the skirmish, I'd have to see them choosing to de-escalate rather than escalate. Asymmetrical tactics are all about trying to force one's opponent's hand and make him act (and I pick my word with care) immoderately, with undue force.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you think people are obsessed with you calum? don't you want them to be?

will these remain unanswered?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

for Calum:

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum in his Ned-provoking aspect is like a vandal who throws a rock through the same window at least once every day: after a couple of years, the homeowner takes a real vested interest in breaking the fucker's arms so he can't throw any more rocks, only in our analogy the vandal then says: "Oor! Why is this guy obsessed with me?" meanwhile Calum's the one who, about once a month, whines that Ned wouldn't meet him for a drink

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

J0hn OTM except for the bit about Calum only whining once a month about Ned meeting him for a drink.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

also Momus you see vested interests lurking around every corner in the halls of discourse and you know it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just trying to structure Moderators and Trolls into a mutually-defining, mutually needy binary. Like Kafka's 'Jackals and Arabs', or Aeneas' 'Greeks and Trojans'.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hrm, looking through that other thread about Calum, listing a bunch of his threads, I guess it's starting to make more sense. I'll admit I've been able to almost totally ignore his threads so I've missed just how much of a persistent offense he can be to someone who needs to take care of the whole board. From an objective point of view, it still seems that not every thread should be locked but it's not quite as crystal clear. I guess I can understand the tendency to just give up and react or want to do anything to shut him down.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - or Momus's "Americans are Republicans and Vice's staff isn't"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Taking of the Avril Thread 1-2-3"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

stence I have explained this to you before, Vice's staff isn't Republican because Momus likes them

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

yes J0hn but we're talking about Momus's imaginary binaries here.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't NEED Calum, Momus. Is that so hard to understand?

Sundar -- thank you. I'm not expecting everyone to have a complete knowledge of all the kinds of threads he starts or posts he makes but if you combine that with what I still think is my accurate take on his personality, then I'd like to think it's a bit clearer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, let's fight the Vice wars again! The Trojan / Troll Wars be damned!

I'm now almost a Vice staffer, I'll be helping them set up a Tokyo office over the summer! We're trying to turn Japanese kids on to Pat Buchanan, it's great!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

From an objective point of view, it still seems that not every thread should be locked but it's not quite as crystal clear. I guess I can understand the tendency to just give up and react or want to do anything to shut him down.

Indeed. Upthread I said that locking all Calum threads isn't fair and isn't productive, and I do think that, but when the time comes for the Final Confrontation I'll still lace up my boots in Ned's camp.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

man I could fight the Vice wars all day, 'cause I always win

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, let's fight the Vice wars again!

Nah. Instead I think we should reduce something to an overly simplistic binary and then argue about its two poles even though they've left out a great deal of the original pre-binary-reduction concept.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank ya, Martin, though it's not 'my' camp as it is the mods' in general -- and this is actually why I'm glad Dan and Tombot are working on revising/making clear the FAQ and policies. As noted, I'm not the only one who has locked threads by him, though certainly I'm one of the more persistent.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

We're trying to turn Japanese kids on to Pat Buchanan, it's great!

That will not be difficult considering the Japanese isolationist tendency.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

btw Ned rocks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You get the moral victory, J0hn, but I screw real actual money out of the repugnant Republican bastards. Of course, I take it all to a small island in the Hebrides and burn it.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I meant "Ned's camp" as in "the camp where Ned is" rather than "the camp Ned commands."

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

But according to Momus I'm only a mod in order to exercise power!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought you meant "Ned is camp".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that went without saying.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, you get paid by them for helping disseminate their racist, sexist crap. Congratulations on helping privileged white kids feel better about hurting others' feelings by using the word "nigger" and feeling transgressive about it.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought he was arguing that you were only a Moderator because Calum is a Troll (because you are a Moderator because...)

xpost Dan I seriously considered making that comment, but I decided that there's no place for humor in such a serious discussion.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.haywired.com/lovesusan3/tvwork/amc4.jpg

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Help, a Rockist!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not rockist surgery.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

When I didn't have power for a week, I read most of the Vice Guide To Sex, Drugs & Rock'n'Roll. I was surprised to find a few really great things - the ex-junkie blaming himself for the death of people he introduced to heroin, for instance - mixed in among the usual crap.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

hope you didn't pay for it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they do have the occasional winner amidst all the just-discovered-Henry-Miller stuff

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but I still hope milo didn't pay for it. All that shit was free in the magazine.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never seen a racial epithet used offensively in Vice, J0hn, but then I've never found Calum's views on women particularly shocking either, so maybe I'm just odd.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

$5 at Virgin Megastore. (It was down to a choice between Matos' Prince book, the 33 1/3 VU book or this one, and it was larger)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Vice is available anywhere in Dallas.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

online.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You got me there. But at the time I had no electricity.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ha! but you got me there. Also, A.O. Scott is white.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.eblox.com/lechner/hygene.jpg

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

A usage from the current issue which I consider no more offensive than your usage upthread, f'rinstance, J0hn:

'I once heard a horrible, horrible man (my biological dad) say, "An Irishman is just a nigger turned inside out." Though that quote is wrong for a plethora of reasons, it can be effectively used to describe punks, who are essentially frat boys turned inside out.'

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v11n5/htdocs/frats.php

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

re: the question way up there about the tweeness of Pieces of April - no soundtrack on Earth could have made that film less twee. Pseudo-punky teen star! Interracial couple that's accepted by everyone after hints at things being otherwise! Boyfriend looking like he's doing something shady, really buying a used suit! Reuniting with a disliked mother who's dying of cancer! Thanksgiving dinner with someone from every conceivable ethnic group in New York City!

(still an enjoyable movie)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that quote is a horseshit piece of writing.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not too late.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 18 June 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

No Dan it's transgressive, 'cos they say "nigger"!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

J0hn: 2
Vice: 1

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

What is Vice magazine? I don't read mags that are likely offend me.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that quote is a horseshit piece of writing.

B-B-But the author used the word "plethora!"

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?"

― St. Nicholas Ridiculous (Nick A.), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

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