NAMING RIGHTS THREAD: Liverpool really won't win the Premiership 2010-2011

ps i've not slept, i reserve the right to listen to this tomorrow after some kip and do the full 180

if u do u'll still be a fuckin asshole

When you hear what they said and the manner in which it was said it was indefensible choadery. I understand yr dislike of the public in one of its periodical fits of morality but really I'd say it's progress that people do get het up about this Cholmondeley-Warner shit, even in the name of a pile-on, rather than just tsking and thinking it's a reasonable contribution to public discourse.

steady on

And on air or not, it was stupidly unprofessional and I wouldn't dream of speaking like that at work. What you do in your own home/pub is a matter of freedom of conscience, agreed.

nah it's ok, as i said likely i'm wading in unawares here. but it does bear the hallmarks of what NV said too having come in to see only the usual reactions from the usual quarters.

ps NV has been much angrier/exasperated at me than that in his day iirc

wasn't angry with you man or implying that you were tsking. just saying that pile-ons can be hypocritical and boring and right at the same time.

xp re: 'on air'.. yeah, it adds extreme stupidity to the mix, definitely

lol what did they say exactly? I haven't been able to track it down & all of this has been slightly impenetrable britishness to me tbh.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/audio/2011/jan/24/andy-gray-richard-keys-sexist-audio

yeah well i'm aware of my jerking knees, nv, is all i'm saying. but tbh i dunno what i said that was 'fuckin asshole' other than ..... 'the backlash is ugly' sentiment? but hmm again, i'm prob comin from the angle of ilx's most prominent sexist so feel free to radge/discount. genuinely.

Another night and he have Rolls-Royced that right into the corner. You know what I mean, hopefully.

hello they're paid to talk abt football and they literally with no dumbass jokery dismiss with disgust a person's professional ability based on their sex

and ur wading in to push back against ppl before u've even heard anything

"well he can't defend bc he's black, they're lazy" hey guys this is just whites being whites, sure i'm like this meself, faux outrage from the usual quarters

So it was a female asst. ref? Audio at that link sounds like shit, coupled with accents I can hardly make out what they're saying.

i say cut dmac some slack, as someone who often doesn't

haaaa, not at all what i was saying. really. slow it down, pls.

" Neither defending their behaviour as accused"

fwiw my gf just texted me, reckons it's a bit of a storm in a teacup. i wonder which of us is a negative influence on the other.

i'm more curious as to what gray's excuse for webb, clattenburg et al is.

some of my best fantasy football players are black fyi

but, i'm not tryin to wind up, i've not heard it and from what i have heard about it it's quite clearly more serious than a one game ban from tv and a talking to.

even if ms mac disagrees.

eh further texts from her seem to indicate she's o about something completely random and different fwiw.

fwiw my gf just texted me, reckons it's a bit of a storm in a teacup. i wonder which of us is a negative influence on the other.

oh god

i'm just being typically contrary in re: ilx moral outrage at blokes acting like blokes when they think no-body's listening. Neither defending their behaviour as accused nor enjoying it as much as everyone else.

not at all what u were saying, riiiiight

dunno dude, you've posted 'i've not heard it' about 10 times now when audio and text of what was said is v easily available, why would you post so much about something you haven't heard if yr not trying to wind ppl up?

think it probably will blow over quickly but as somebody said upthread, that's because it's apparently much more okay for pundits to be misogynist rather than racist. the relative levels of outrage evinced by this and Big Ron's outburst shows that.

fuck off chelseaaaaaa

Elsewhere, Matt Taylor just kicked Drogba in the chest. Drogba went down theatrically, Taylor angrily remonstrated with him for this, Drogba got up and lifted up his shirt to show him the mark he'd made, at which point Gretar Steinnson piled in and angrily lifted his own shirt by way of slightly confused retaliation.

i think it's clear that that's nothing like what you've represented it as in your last but one (i think?) post.

football men are highly objectionable when they think they're not on air, this isn't shock horror stuff. that's totally separate from condoning what the behaviour was, or whatever you were going after with the big ron reference.

xp jabba- surfing on a nokia, sorry. not really all that good for getting hold of this stuff.

xp to dan
yes female assitant referee, they say that someone needs to go down there and explain the offside rule to her (this is right after she got a very close call correct iirc) and then they talk about another female asisstant, disparaging all of them. then keys talks about karen brady (who's on the board or something at west ham) complaining about sexism and says, do me a favor love.

how many dreadful, avoidable goals can a team score

My relative lack of outrage is based on them being totally insignificant figures basically. Yes they seem like utterly unpleasant people but they're not important enough to get worked up about imo. They don't even get paid public money.

That said, I don't see how they can come back and punditise on any match involving a female now - and since that could be any match at all, they should be sacked. But, y'know, still barely worth noticing their passing.

and to think that i carefully and considerately stepped away from replying to darragh's comments in hope that it'd blow over and he wouldn't have to go through this again. :'(

Aye, the amount of "ha, it's just a laugh innit, women, eh?" that I'm encountering from members of a Celtic message board who were calling for Hugh Dallas' sacking for forwarding a viral about paedo priests is kind of staggering. And going "eh, it's not the same" when called out on it.

xposts to NV

I assume Andy Gray is actually kind of a well-respected pundit by a certain kind of idiot, but I can't imagine anyone in the world being bothered if Keys vanished from TV.

Actually, I did get a bit outraged when I saw Jamie Redknapp in the studio. How come he hasn't been banned?! Then I remembered the hoopla is all about the sexist thing, and not Matt DC's Keysey anecdote.

just wondrin if this is about metropolitan sophisticate zvooks vs soi disant irascible culchie deems, the former obliged to uphold rationalized forms of civic discourse, the latter enjoined by a sense of his ruritanian REAL IRELAND values to permit a certain degree of bloky EXCESS, though he would no doubt draw the line at big martin tyler's public urolagnia, which would in deems logic make him a SHIT LAD

re: ilx moral outrage at blokes acting like blokes when they think no-body's listening <--this is totally condoning naked contemptuous misogyny while disparaging those who object to it u fucking moron

it's fucking worse that u do it before u know what the issue is

if you say so. i think there're ways around it being a full lauding of that behaviour, but clearly eh clearly not.

xpostfest for all of the ill-advisedness and inappropriateness of Dallas' thing, it was at least a 'joke'. The grim seriousness of this makes it all the worse - they're not just un-PC twats, they are unquestionably prejudiced individuals.

ramires: terrible injury-feigning cunt and boring footballer, fuck him

that's not very magnanimous of me, I must strive to love all :(

ramires: should externalise his sense of integrity

Neither defending their behaviour as accused nor enjoying it as much as everyone else.

yah i'm totally gonna enjoy seeing and contributing to these basically evil fuckwits every time i want to see a televised game, u nailed it, thx bro

btw you all know what I think of the keys/gray thing already but it's worth repeating that gray speaks the internal monologue of the armchair moron

the latter enjoined by a sense of his ruritanian REAL IRELAND values to permit a certain degree of bloky EXCESS

not me, tbh

xps ah look, zvookster, you have me cheering big ricky and big andy on in all this then suit yourself. you're enjoying it so much i wish you well of it.

merdeyeux, I'll take my thoughts on Dallas' prejudices to the SPL thread to save boring everyone to death :-) I'm sure Keyes and Gray thought they were being hilarious to each other, same as I'm sure Dallas assumed that everyone he forwarded his email to shared his amusement at mocking the catholic church. Just basically agreeing with NV that misogyny comes pretty far down the list of things that yr average football fan would find offensive - these messageboard types were all outraged at Dallas' actions (regardless of his interpretation of them as a joke) but see no difference in going "aye, but Keyes is right, I mean Karren Brady works for a pornographer and shagged an employee once so fuck 'er, she can't talk about feminism" type things.

daaaaaaaamn itt deems is a flirtatious female commercial traveller in a travelodge lounge and zvooks is the externalized SEXUAL RAGE of shreevesy and keysy upon realizing that they're not going to enjoy their planned italia 90 themed bukkake session for another night at least

thanking u mizzell, guessing this is the end of gray's EA run

wait am i deems now? i object.

can't help but think this is at least in part an lfc thing.

omg *fuck ramires*

cunt

:D

chelsea have been quite shit and have scored 1 lucky goal and 3 completely terrible ones