"Hipster" as pejorative.

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well, there's no shame in being a provincial boob, I don't guess, but there's no pride in it either.

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I like hipsters. hooray people who make an effort - however misguided, self-conscious, or obnoxious it may be - to make their lives strange or unusual or interesting.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

*flees from shower of stones, rotten garbage*

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I do look down on people who care about fashion. As a midwesterner, it's my birthright to do so.

This might explain why midwestern thrift stores beat the shit out of anything on the coasts-- y'all throw away all of your cool articles of clothing! I mean, clothing designers from Japan fly into Cleveland all the time just to buy tons of shit at the thrift stores and then re-sell them to young hip types in Tokyo.

― the table is the table, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

That's where definitions begin to differ, I guess. 'Hipster' as I hear it used (and the people I see) really doesn't refer to someone who is making their life strange, unusual or interesting.

Hipster means they're taking their cues (fashion, music, etc.) from a certain pool of resources that just happens to be a different pool than Stripey-Shirt Frat Bro or Redneck Woman use.

― milo z, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

key word is "different", methinks

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

if caring about fashion is wrong, i don't wanna be right.

― lauren, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Redneck Women can also be quite entertaining/idiosyncratic in their own ways.

Fratboys I have an inherent aversion too, however.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

chicago kevin otm upthread.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

self-conscious killjoy that i am.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

what i mean about midwestern thrift stores is that not only can a "hipster" or whatever find all sorts of stupid-ass clothing to astound and amuse their friends, a normal person can find nice clothes (sometimes couture) for very cheap. case in point: the halston suit i bought for $4. perfect condition.

― the table is the table, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

that's kinda true of any thrift store anywhere.

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

how is that different from non-midwestern thrift stores?
kenan are you saying that thinking that those who care deeply about fashion are silly makes one a provincial boob?

― Granny Dainger, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

caring about fashion isn't wrong, i just find it silly. just like you most likely find people who wear stretchy pants and tweety t-shirts silly. yin to the yang.

― Granny Dainger, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't get a Halston suit for $4 in the NYC area!

― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

you definitely can't get any kind of suit for $4 in SF, I don't care where you're lookin. Not even at the "Clothes by the Pound" place.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you can if you get up early enough!

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys sleep in too late! cuz yer slacker hipsters!

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hey I get up every weekend at 7am to cook breakfast for the wife!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

If Freud had replaced Marx in the 50s intelligentsia, hipsters were his bolsheviks, the murderous revolutionaries of the psyche as opposed to the menshevik bohemian-liberals.

holy shit.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I think some people want to seem above fashion because it's so personal. The same amount of talent, work, creativity and historical reference can go into a beautiful dress as some glorified painting or black and white still. Making and designing clothes is fucking hard. Is it because it goes on your body and not on the wall where you can be detached from it that some people hate fashion. I don't know why people who obviously care about creative processes and art are all down on presenting themselves with clothing that is thoughtful. Like, I seriously wish I could try harder to dress nicer, even if I don't have the perfect body or height for most clothing that I think is amazing.

― Yerac, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

it probably has something to do with the general vapidity and over-inflated value of the fashion industry.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

plus homophobia

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

In support of Shakey's homoscary theory, I knew a guy once who hated models and the fashion world because "they pay faggots all that money to make em clothes. Wish they'd pay guys like ME as much to MAKE em."

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean this is why people say " I wish I had the balls to wear that." clothing is so personal and people either don't want to stand out in the crowd or they have to stand out because looking like everyone else is upsetting.

― Yerac, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet he was an amazing seamstress

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

arggh x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

haven't found any proper couture yet but thrift finds of mine include, comme des garcons wool t-shirt, ysl rive gauche (70's) black wool dress, velvet pencil skirt (going to have to sell, it doesn't fit), royal blue silk blouse.. i had a jean paul gaultier jacket but i sold it.. oh yeah, a giorgio armani black evening dress (i'm going to sell it).. marc jacobs coat (sold it).. hmm.. gold tassel necklace I think is schiaparelli.. plenty of scottish cashmere.. a vintage chloe skirt.. a pale camel cashmere top coat trimmed in mink (perfect condition too) for $20..

i love thrifts, it takes patience but really, the vintage 60's fitted wool jacket that's beautifully constructed and tailored for $7 vs. something new at a department store for $200 that looks like hell after a few years' wear?

I figure, fashion is as much an art as anything else & often speaks more to what's happening today than plenty of things you find hung on a gallery wall

― daria-g, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I had a specific route in all towns to stop at all thirfts in fun/easy order on Saturdays and stop off at Popeye's in the middle. I've found wonderful clothes & boots but it does take a lot more patience than most people have. Sis-in-law who makes bank is always surprised when my clothes are good/thrifted. "I go into a thrift every once in a while and it's all garbage." And therein lies the key: you have to be there all the goddamn often.

― Abbott, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

what's also interesting is that some boutiques and record or book dealers are hurting (fuck 'em) due to the realization of consumers that they can can migrate to sales too, and feed their habit by SELLING THE GAME ON EBAY DAT COM

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah and all they sell is bizarro puff-sleeve polyester floral patter knee-langth dresses trimmmed in lace and Old Navy jeans from five years ago? Or such is every 'vintage' store I've frequented.

― Abbott, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean really, most clued in chicks who open a beautifully manicured vintage clothing shop were once collectors who turned a hobby into a semi-career.

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope they are not paying other clued in chicks $5.50/hr to help them w/their hobby-career. I got that offer once and jesus, not only would I have had to spend time with them outside of work, the pay was shit. Oh so. How so grasshopper?

― Abbott, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

why is looking like everyone else "upsetting"? do you really think people aren't into being wearing something outlandish cause they don't want to stand out?

― Granny Dainger, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

why is looking like everyone else "upsetting"?

You don't find it upsetting, obviously. Is it hard to imagine that there are people that do?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

No, it's not. I'm asking why.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

But it's all about standing out and then getting testy because people are staring at you for standing out. And then everybody's happy. And closing the goddamn door.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Some people feel the need to differentiate themselves by the music they listen to, or the books they read, or the movies they watch. They go out of their way to do/take part in/see things are idiosyncratic or quirky because they want to stand out from the crowds of people who do "regular" things. I'd assume a similar mindset applies to people whose focus is clothes.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost ARGH

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry but those people need to grow up!

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

for fuck's sakes, people. some people want to stand out, visually i guess you would say, by wearing fashionable or expensive or cheap-o or whatever clothes. some people don't. if that's the only element of their personality you're going to judge them by, you are being dumb.

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The same amount of talent, work, creativity and historical reference can go into a beautiful dress as some glorified painting or black and white still. Making and designing clothes is fucking hard.

You could ask the same of advertising/adv. art (minus the homophobia). Capitalism debases - most people only have a concept of fashion that involves mass retail or a bunch of richie-rich/celebrity bullshit (fashion week, couture, places where Common People can't shop). Fashion will never get the same respect as fine art because it is seen largely as an economic enterprise and irrelevant to the lives of most.

On the DIY/thrift angle, clothes-making seems to be more about craft and usability than art school concept. DIY sewing is cool, looking like the neck-tattoo douchebag from Project Runway is not.

― milo z, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like judging people by their taste in food. or.. er... music.

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

can't we all just get along?

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry but those people need to grow up!

Granny Dainger on Friday, March 16, 2007 7:20 PM

Why is this a juvenile mindset?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough, Slocki, but have you not encountered people for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their personality?

― milo z, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

of course it's not the ONLY element i'd judge them on! i'm sure there's tons of other aspects about them which would allow me to look down on them more fully.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough, Slocki, but have you not encountered people for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their personality?

if i have, they never mentioned it

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

allow me to look down on them more fully.

I'm starting to think you're the most egregious hipster here.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their personality?

I would say those people I met who may meet of that stripe had OBSESSION as a defining aspect, no matter the channel of said obsession.

― Abbott, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

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