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the only person I know who's been (that I know of) is definitely one of the coolest NYC people I know. she's from Kansas City.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

well the kids i go with are more of the scary industrial types -- they build huge art pieces (metal sculptures, massive LED arrays, etc)

i'm going in two weeks -- i am psyched (douglas will be there again also!)

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

by huge i mean 50 - 100 feet high

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

As much as I admire and respect my fellow ilxors, I just can't seem to get past the fact that everyone I know who goes is an ignorant hypocrite. Maybe I'll have to reevaluate...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not! you'd like me spencer

i'm not sure about the CA contingent, so i can't comment on that

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I blogged this last week or so

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

as i said to geeta a few minutes ago, i can take lots of drugs in my apartment all weekend and play x-box. where exactly is the, uh, fun?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

is this like when calvin's dad tried to explain the joys of getting up at 4 am only to eat cold fish for breakfast?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

... Chris, please tell me the first comment on that blog entry is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously?

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course it's serious!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

If it's serious (it isn't really, is it? it doesn't quite go far enough to be intentionally funny, though...), that says more about my distaste for this than I ever could.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's always seemed like a total dud to me. A convention of wasted lives.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

burning man is everything that's every been wrong with the american version of "raving" with the addition of crappy "art" and hippies.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

alternately: woodstock '99 without the consoling specter of generational fascism.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

have you been jess?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't been anyone but myself (except for those two weeks in '95).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't been jess either, since i changed my name.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

much like tep, the very idea of it is enough to fufill my haterate needs.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

From my transatlantic perspective it seems to make being a hippie an incredible amount of hard and quite intense work, which is sort of contra the point IMO. I get the same feeling as I get when I see the giant metal baby head tank thing at Glastonbury (actually pretty much anything in Lost Vagueness at Glasto) - first encounter "oh thats pretty kewl", all subsequent "God, just relax and stop trying so hard"

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

... Chris, please tell me the first comment on that blog entry is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously?

Actually, that comment is from a friend of mine who goes to Burning Man every year (translation: he' s serious)

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, no offense to your friend, then. But ... as I said above.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

aw jess you old curmudgeon you!

a) like with anything else some of it is crap and some of it is really cool
b) everything gets set on fire so if you didn't like some of the art that's ok, it'll all be up in flames at the end

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, what are you having a problem with in that statement from Chris's blog? You seem overtly disturbed and I can't figure out why.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the central question here is: would Beavis and Butthead have gone to Burning Man? On the con side, we have hippies, art, and rave music. On the plus side, there's lots of breaking stuff and fire. The jury's still out on this one, folks.

DUN NUH-NUH-NUH NUH-NUH-NUH NUH NUH NUH-NUH!

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Not a problem, per se -- but it reads like a continuation of Chris's entry, i.e. more a litany of why NOT to go than an actual endorsement. "I feel like an artist" and "I'm starving cause this stuff costs too much"? "I'm Photoshopping my friends into a tarot deck"?

Granted, I think part of me dies any time someone says they "feel like an artist." That's me. But the rest is actually supposed to make it sound good?

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I seriously had no idea it was still happening!

Is it called "Bill Graham Presents©: Mountain Dew eXtreme™'s Burning Man 2003" yet?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

HAH I didn't realize there were comments at the bottom and thought you were talking about Chris's list! I R stoopid.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

someone told me it was easy to get laid with hot but somewhat underwashed neo hippie chicks there? is this true?

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Where, Earth?

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The crotch.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i got a scholarship to attend!! otherwise i wouldn't be going. i am the mack at applying for zany grants

i should become a professor or something

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Geeta, I already like you and your recommendation has me intrigued, but it still just seems gross.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I like showering each morning.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i could skip a shower if id just tonked a neo hippie chick

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, I thought the same thing about Tep's hatred.

The people I know who go aren't hippies, they are artists/designers/musicians/etc.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

That's just as bad.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

ha yeah like the two are mutually exclusive.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

haha sometimes i imagine jess as this old dude with a long scraggly beard, sitting on a rocking chair on his porch, yelling 'kids these days!' a lot and firing randomly into the air every so often with his shotgun

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"shotgun"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

see that's the thing about dan: he can find the beauty in anything

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hippie shit. dud.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Costco Soulmate Trading Outlet

http://www.thespoon.com/costco/

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

haha geeta i think you're going to be seeing a lot more dudes with scraggly beards and emotional dysfunction where yr going than in my apartment.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Have been four times, am going again. Lisa & I initially went because we thought "oh, hey, this is unlike anything we'd ever do, why not try it once?" I think we're lifers now. And we are not at ALL "hippie/neo-shamanic" types--we're not even vaguely ravers.

If you're looking for scary scraggly creepy people on lots of drugs there, you will find them. If you're looking for amazing unusual fascinating people, you will also find them. There is a lot of really bad art, and more than a bit of incredibly good art. And the idea of spending 2% or so of my year in a culture that's pretty much entirely based on creativity and kindness really appeals to me.

Also, Gygax, it's a little hard for something to go all commecial when you're not allowed to use money there...

― Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

how do you score all those bitchin' drugs then?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

you DON'T want to know

― oops (Oops), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

can I go to this and remain cynical, slightly jaded and only kind when I feel like it?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally, the original version of the thing Chris blogged actually appeared in Piss Clear, one of the papers that's published at Burning Man.

I mean, if the haters stay home, so much the better (it's not like "no no, you just have to GO there, then you'll SEE"--if you're predisposed to hate it, you will anyway), but it's kind of disconcerting to see the knives coming out.

― Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

hard to believe, but my question is serious: what is the currency of the BM drug economy?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.houseofhorrors.com/wicker2.jpg

Not that I'd ever go, but if I did I'd have to make myself a Christopher Lee costume.

― David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

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No, the bikes were covered in neon faux-fur, they should be okay

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:22 (nine months ago)

sorry, back to that dipshit upthread: “The current vibe is no drinking, no drugs, 9-9-6 (work from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week), lift heavy, run far, marry early, track sleep, eat steak and eggs.”

I barfed in the my mouth. But thinking of all the early Whole Earth Catalog-ish dudes who got 'Silicon Valley' off the ground (Woz et al)... wonder what they would think of this monster of their own creation? "marry early, track sleep"? Where the fuck does this shit come from? or maybe that's just *his* 'current vibe

― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:31 (nine months ago)

Bill Atkinson invented Hypercard after an acid trip. Bill Gates otoh was always a square. So there's been a range. It does feel like a lot of people in the tech industry now would be just as happy at a hedge fund, that seems new.

― rainbow calx (lukas), Monday, 1 September 2025 22:40 (nine months ago)

cant work from 9 to 9 every day run far lift heavy and sleep, let alone have time for yr young spouse

― lag∞n, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:43 (nine months ago)

tho tbf he didnt say he was sleeping much just tracking it

― lag∞n, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:43 (nine months ago)

Bill Gates dropped acid at least once--he's talked about it. He said that he was sitting around thinking that a table that he was sitting at was going into his eye.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 1 September 2025 23:07 (nine months ago)

oh wow!

― rainbow calx (lukas), Monday, 1 September 2025 23:10 (nine months ago)

Wish I didn't have to go into work until 9 a.m.

― pplains, Monday, 1 September 2025 23:51 (nine months ago)

would much rather be at burning man than exclusively around rich tech bore-bombs, thankfully i can choose neither.

j-bae is either driving out tonight and staying in elko or leaving early tomorrow morning. he had a great time and i'm looking forward to hearing about it. i'm glad he's fine and not murdered. i don't mind being an audience for his burner stories, although hearing the same one for the tenth time a year later can be a little trying lol.

― she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 00:01 (nine months ago)

the entire faux-straightedge work all the the time thing is still very based in biohacking and weird beliefs about human existence. I'd imagine it's still very recognizable to SV oldheads, just coming at things from a different angle than they did

― slowly imploding (mh), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 14:12 (nine months ago)

it's also based on amphetamines I think

― rainbow calx (lukas), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 14:17 (nine months ago)

it's also based on being dumbasses.

― she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 14:25 (nine months ago)

probably comes from growing up playing video games and getting a taste for minmaxing and item acquisition, then it kind of everts and now the game is the player and their body is the character

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:04 (nine months ago)

i'm always gonna be a video game hater. "it makes your brain glow and they are beautiful pieces of art!!!" nah dog you're just sitting in front of another screen nursing mental illness.

― she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:53 (nine months ago)

they're less toxic to society than Freud has been

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:58 (nine months ago)

theyve got mario too

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2025 17:35 (nine months ago)

Info on the murder out there.

Burning Man Project has confirmed that the deceased participant has been identified as Vadim Kruglov, from Russia.
The tragic incident occurred during the Burning of the Man on the night of Saturday, August 30, 2025, near the intersection of 8:30 & I Street in Black Rock City.
The Pershing County Sheriff’s Office is treating this as a homicide.

― nickn, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:15 (nine months ago)

FSB assassins at Burning Man, what’s on yr ipod

― sarahell, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:41 (nine months ago)

did he fall out a window

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:34 (nine months ago)

def some weirdness around this case...

in some instances he's being heralded as this BM vet who:

poured his soul into our community: building the camp, creating an art installation, always ready to help others, and being kind and responsive to everyone. His energy and contribution will forever remain part of the Burn’s history

then others (including the girl he carpooled with) that are saying that he was a first timer and he only knew a couple people there.

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:45 (nine months ago)

xxp
EDM, surely.

― nickn, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:45 (nine months ago)

wtf xp

― sleeve, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:52 (nine months ago)

I guess someone can be a first timer and also kind & responsive? Don't see a major contradiction there... maybe first-timers are inherently more enthusiastic than 1990's veterans

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:59 (nine months ago)

First timers can also help with art installations and setting up camps.

― nickn, Thursday, 4 September 2025 00:45 (nine months ago)

In fact, a good way for first timers to find people to camp with is to help an existing camp in your area with a build project months before the event.

― nickn, Thursday, 4 September 2025 00:48 (nine months ago)

sad stuff if he was an enthusiastic newcomer who was really pitching in. that’s the part that sounds appealing to me. also letting go of a lot of my judgment and embracing weirdos. it’s nice to do that

― slowly imploding (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2025 01:34 (nine months ago)

I wouldn’t have gone if I didn’t have friends who were vets. My first time I was on the documentation crew, helped with a friend’s art installation and got to drive a car on the playa … </suzy>

― sarahell, Friday, 5 September 2025 01:12 (nine months ago)

three months pass...

have just seen a black rock ranger driving down santa ana blvd.

wtf.

― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 27 December 2025 18:31 (five months ago)

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