figured it was like the star trek reboot, where the villain is way less important than the origin story itself.
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
whatevs.; he was boring and bland.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ra's al ghul's dad is sensei, which makes even less sense.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
also, the significance of the villain certainly became evident in the second-film in the reboot batman series.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
liam neesowned
― omar little, Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I just thought the whole integration of Ras into the origin story was pointless. Like, okay, Batman learning martial arts in the Himalayas or whatever is fine, but bringing in an extra (supposedly immortal) villain...? why?
this is the main reason I think the second one is way better than the first tbh
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's pretend Al Ghul never even happened. Blandest villain ever comment OTM
Personally, I was hoping Leo DiCap would be cast as Cobb/Riddler, and we might get an "Inception" crossover movie and a lot of capital would be put towards the Inception/Batman X-Box game.
xpost
― Cunga, Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
maggie gyllenpage
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the main reason the second is better for the first is that the screenplay was by the Nolan bros with Goyer being involved in the initial story, whereas Goyer was in on the screenplay on the first one.
Not that Goyer is all that bad, I just think he's maybe a tier lower than the Nolans.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
an entry-level batman fan
― Cunga, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
not up on the comic books, but ra's al ghul episodes of batman: the animated series were always awesome, i don't think the character is inherently lame
― some dude, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
he's not really compatible with live-action though. he's like garfield in that way.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
He's a great long-term, big picture adversary in that he's a villain that's sympathetic to Batman and there's some level of mutual respect.
Laughing at the Garfield comparison.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah lol
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
would be down for a Bill Murray-as-Garfield vs. Baleman flick
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
actually bill murray would be a good -- albeit old, so not physically imposing -- villain.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
he could crash twentysomethings' kareoke party with a violent band of dimwits (like chevy chase, playing himself)
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
if Bill Murray plays a character and Chevy plays himself i think jaymc and nabisco are gonna have some issues with that
― some dude, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
how 'bout if chevy plays some anonymous, random tool? that's fairly close to him playing himself, anyway.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/doleted/steve-martinKingTut.jpg
was king tut in the comics or purely a TV creation?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Bill Murray's blithe insouciance would kinda make an awesome foil for I R SERIOUS CRIMEFIGHTER Bale
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yep, except the gravitas-gap b/w murray and bale would be huge. that's not a bad thing in a villain, tho.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:09 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
this. it's not that he's a lame villain or ill-suited to live action, just that nolan used him badly.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
superman is also a great sympathetic mutual respect batman adversary but photoshop them into the same picture and it falls apart.
it's going to be interesting to see how the avengers movie handles the thor problem.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
it would be more interesting if hollywood declared an indefinite moritorium on superhero movies.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
the one project my ILM buddy is working on is the Joss Whedon Avengers movie but I gotta say I'm deeply skeptical
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
er the one project my ILM buddy is working on that she is excited about
The article upthread makes me worried that this movie will be dominated, or at least focused on these hand-to-hand combat scenes...the bits where Batman was 'characteristically' kicking ass like at the beginning with the fakes or at the end with dogs were the least interesting parts of TDK for me.
― Davek (davek_00), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Took me too many seconds to realize that that stood for Industrial Light and Magic, and not I Love Music.
― Cunga, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
that happens a lot around here
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Industrial Light and Magic
spelling this out is a pain, sorry
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
IRL-ILM
― goole, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
IL&M
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Lucaslaves
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
lollll
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Friday, 21 January 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Kinda loved the way the catwomen and batgirl fans were all coming out of the woodwork upthread. Fetishes. Fetishes we didn't even know we had.
― Cunga, Friday, 21 January 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Also reminds me of dating advice I once heard a guy give to women: "Don't date a man who has 'How to Draw Women in Comic Books' on his bookshelf."
― Cunga, Friday, 21 January 2011 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the gravitas-gap b/w murray and bale would be huge
even moreso than Heath Ledger imitating Al Franken for 2-1/2 hours?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
hey guys it's Dr. Morbius!
― i love tampon spaceship (San Te), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, dr. m, much, much moreso.
oh i knew i had them.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 21 January 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i never heard the Franken line before, that's great
― some dude, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Ol' Doc Morbs makes some movie he dislikes worth a rematch due to his commentary yet again!
― sectarian chicken (mh), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
There was this one episode where Catwoman ties up Batgirl with heat-sensitive strings, and the only way she can escape is by rolling around in water. Swear to God.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
don't tease, telephoneface (adam bruneau).
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 21 January 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
WHY DONT THEY HAVE THIS ON GLORIOUS DVD BOX SET
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I know, I can only watch the Batman movie w/Adam West, and force others to watch it with me, so many times!
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2971848540982254111#
Late merry Xmas, Daniel, Esq.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost -- so how's the shark repellent working out for you?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 January 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link