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i dunno i kinda thought neeson owned what little he was given and made it something more. murphy was the best in that one though.

Murphy was great, much more interesting character - and one more integrated into the backdrop of Gotham. but I've never really been Ras Al Guhl as a villain, the whole immortality thing = eh whatever

been INTO

al ghul in begins felt like a set up for the character to be more of a straight-up villain in later films in the series, although of course that didn't happen.

he's supposed to have a magic jacuzzi that makes you live forever. i'm surprised they went near that at all. for some reason magic is anathema to superhero movies.

figured it was like the star trek reboot, where the villain is way less important than the origin story itself.

whatevs.; he was boring and bland.

ra's al ghul's dad is sensei, which makes even less sense.

also, the significance of the villain certainly became evident in the second-film in the reboot batman series.

liam neesowned

I just thought the whole integration of Ras into the origin story was pointless. Like, okay, Batman learning martial arts in the Himalayas or whatever is fine, but bringing in an extra (supposedly immortal) villain...? why?

this is the main reason I think the second one is way better than the first tbh

Let's pretend Al Ghul never even happened. Blandest villain ever comment OTM

Personally, I was hoping Leo DiCap would be cast as Cobb/Riddler, and we might get an "Inception" crossover movie and a lot of capital would be put towards the Inception/Batman X-Box game.

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I think the main reason the second is better for the first is that the screenplay was by the Nolan bros with Goyer being involved in the initial story, whereas Goyer was in on the screenplay on the first one.

Not that Goyer is all that bad, I just think he's maybe a tier lower than the Nolans.

an entry-level batman fan

not up on the comic books, but ra's al ghul episodes of batman: the animated series were always awesome, i don't think the character is inherently lame

he's not really compatible with live-action though. he's like garfield in that way.

He's a great long-term, big picture adversary in that he's a villain that's sympathetic to Batman and there's some level of mutual respect.

Laughing at the Garfield comparison.

yeah lol

would be down for a Bill Murray-as-Garfield vs. Baleman flick

actually bill murray would be a good -- albeit old, so not physically imposing -- villain.

he could crash twentysomethings' kareoke party with a violent band of dimwits (like chevy chase, playing himself)

if Bill Murray plays a character and Chevy plays himself i think jaymc and nabisco are gonna have some issues with that

how 'bout if chevy plays some anonymous, random tool? that's fairly close to him playing himself, anyway.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/doleted/steve-martinKingTut.jpg

was king tut in the comics or purely a TV creation?

Bill Murray's blithe insouciance would kinda make an awesome foil for I R SERIOUS CRIMEFIGHTER Bale

yep, except the gravitas-gap b/w murray and bale would be huge. that's not a bad thing in a villain, tho.

He's a great long-term, big picture adversary in that he's a villain that's sympathetic to Batman and there's some level of mutual respect.

― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:09 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

this. it's not that he's a lame villain or ill-suited to live action, just that nolan used him badly.

superman is also a great sympathetic mutual respect batman adversary but photoshop them into the same picture and it falls apart.

it's going to be interesting to see how the avengers movie handles the thor problem.

it would be more interesting if hollywood declared an indefinite moritorium on superhero movies.

the one project my ILM buddy is working on is the Joss Whedon Avengers movie but I gotta say I'm deeply skeptical

er the one project my ILM buddy is working on that she is excited about

The article upthread makes me worried that this movie will be dominated, or at least focused on these hand-to-hand combat scenes...the bits where Batman was 'characteristically' kicking ass like at the beginning with the fakes or at the end with dogs were the least interesting parts of TDK for me.

the one project my ILM buddy is working on is the Joss Whedon Avengers movie but I gotta say I'm deeply skeptical

Took me too many seconds to realize that that stood for Industrial Light and Magic, and not I Love Music.

that happens a lot around here

Industrial Light and Magic

spelling this out is a pain, sorry

IRL-ILM

IL&M

Lucaslaves

IRL-ILM

lollll

Kinda loved the way the catwomen and batgirl fans were all coming out of the woodwork upthread. Fetishes. Fetishes we didn't even know we had.

Also reminds me of dating advice I once heard a guy give to women: "Don't date a man who has 'How to Draw Women in Comic Books' on his bookshelf."

hahahaha

the gravitas-gap b/w murray and bale would be huge

even moreso than Heath Ledger imitating Al Franken for 2-1/2 hours?

hey guys it's Dr. Morbius!

yeah, dr. m, much, much moreso.

Kinda loved the way the catwomen and batgirl fans were all coming out of the woodwork upthread. Fetishes. Fetishes we didn't even know we had.

oh i knew i had them.

haha i never heard the Franken line before, that's great

Ol' Doc Morbs makes some movie he dislikes worth a rematch due to his commentary yet again!

There was this one episode where Catwoman ties up Batgirl with heat-sensitive strings, and the only way she can escape is by rolling around in water. Swear to God.

hahahaha