yeah this is fucked. can't wait to see where it goes.
― goole, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Greenwald on the mammoth boondoggle of "homeland security" projects:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/29/terrorism/index.html
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
"The number of people worldwide who are killed by Muslim-type terrorists, Al Qaeda wannabes, is maybe a few hundred outside of war zones. It's basically the same number of people who die drowning in the bathtub each year," said John Mueller, an Ohio State University professor who has written extensively about the balance between threat and expenditures in fighting terrorism.Last year, McClatchy characterized this threat in similar terms: "undoubtedly more American citizens died overseas from traffic accidents or intestinal illnesses than from terrorism." The March, 2011, Harper's Index expressed the point this way: "Number of American civilians who died worldwide in terrorist attacks last year: 8 -- Minimum number who died after being struck by lightning: 29." That's the threat in the name of which a vast domestic Security State is constructed, wars and other attacks are and continue to be launched, and trillions of dollars are transferred to the private security and defense contracting industry at exactly the time that Americans -- even as they face massive wealth inequality -- are told that they must sacrifice basic economic security because of budgetary constraints.
Last year, McClatchy characterized this threat in similar terms: "undoubtedly more American citizens died overseas from traffic accidents or intestinal illnesses than from terrorism." The March, 2011, Harper's Index expressed the point this way: "Number of American civilians who died worldwide in terrorist attacks last year: 8 -- Minimum number who died after being struck by lightning: 29." That's the threat in the name of which a vast domestic Security State is constructed, wars and other attacks are and continue to be launched, and trillions of dollars are transferred to the private security and defense contracting industry at exactly the time that Americans -- even as they face massive wealth inequality -- are told that they must sacrifice basic economic security because of budgetary constraints.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
silver had a similar thing on the statistical likelihood of dying in a plane that's been the target of a terrorist attack
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/odds-of-airborne-terror.html
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
A bomb left along the route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade was a sophisticated explosive that had a remote detonator and the ability to cause many casualties, an official familiar with the case said Wednesday.The bomb, which was defused without incident on Monday, was the most potentially destructive he had ever seen, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to release information about the investigation.
The bomb, which was defused without incident on Monday, was the most potentially destructive he had ever seen, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to release information about the investigation.
Safe to say 99% of Americans have forgotten or never knew that this ever happened?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
So are we gonna talk about this Chelsea bombing or what
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 18 September 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link
Yeah I kept looking for an active thread. I'm willing to admit I'm a bit freaked out. I walk down that block every work day.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 September 2016 14:49 (eight years ago) link
Glad you are ok
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 18 September 2016 14:59 (eight years ago) link
I suspect its more domestic terrorism/lone looney.
Trump will probably tweet that it's ISIS in a few minutes
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:03 (eight years ago) link
It's hard to countenance this occurring on the same day as the charity marathon pipe bombing in NJ and there being no connection. But I guess it's possible.
In general the notion of 'bomb in Chelsea' makes one start imagining motives but then the specific locations of the bombs just seem pretty empty of significance. IDGI.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link
idiot israels on fb all "why are americans so slow to admit the truth" like i understand that in yr country you generally only have one source of terrorism but god bless the US we have so many sources of potential bomb making that we really cannot just jump to one conclusion immediately w/out evidence. it could be right-wing extremists. it could be left-wing extremists. it could be lone nuts. we have a long history of all kinds of groups trying to blow ppl up.
― Mordy, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:10 (eight years ago) link
Cant remember the last time left wing extremists bombed anything in the US tbh
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link
But yes i agree w yr overall pt
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 18 September 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
3 acts of terror, broadly speaking, in one day :/
St. Cloud MN stabber seems to be in the same bucket as Orlando dude ie disorganized sort of Islamist terror
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
Sort-of-islamist should have hyphenated for clarity
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, thank god it's not worse than it might have been. But we're not in a stage where stuff is ordered from on high, this may have had a certain motive, but how do we react to this dispersed, autonomous ideology?
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
http://gizmodo.com/explosion-reported-in-manhattan-cause-unknown-1786763151
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 18 September 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
I don't react. I keep moving, quickly.
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 18 September 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
So they said definitely intentional, second unexploded bomb similar design to Boston marathon bomb (design can be found on internet), checking for links to NJ race pipe bomb but so far no link to (international) Islamic terror.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 September 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
It's remarkable that no one died, it was a really powerful bomb. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/19/nyregion/new-york-explosion-chelsea.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Luke McConnell, who was visiting from Colorado, was headed toward a restaurant on West 27th Street when the blast occurred.“I felt it, like a concussive wave, heading towards me. Then there was a cloud of white smoke that came from the left side of 23rd Street near Sixth,” Mr. McConnell said. “There was no fire, just smoke.”Witnesses said they could feel the explosion from several blocks away. Daniel Yount, 34, said he was standing on the roof of a building at 25th Street and Avenue of the Americas with friends.“We felt the shock waves go through our bodies,” Mr. Yount said.
“I felt it, like a concussive wave, heading towards me. Then there was a cloud of white smoke that came from the left side of 23rd Street near Sixth,” Mr. McConnell said. “There was no fire, just smoke.”
Witnesses said they could feel the explosion from several blocks away. Daniel Yount, 34, said he was standing on the roof of a building at 25th Street and Avenue of the Americas with friends.
“We felt the shock waves go through our bodies,” Mr. Yount said.
Seems like ISIS loners. They really underperformed this time, thank god. nypost fwiw: http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/there-will-be-more-chilling-911-call-after-the-chelsea-explosion/
― flappy bird, Sunday, 18 September 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunch_of_Guys
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Sunday, 18 September 2016 22:01 (eight years ago) link
lol come on
― Nhex, Sunday, 18 September 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link
5 people taken into custody
http://abc7ny.com/news/multiple-people-taken-into-custody-in-connection-with-chelsea-explosion/1517053/
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 September 2016 03:38 (eight years ago) link
another explosion in NJ: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nyc-explosion-fbi-cops-investigate-vehicle-interest-n-y-new-n650306?cid=sm_tw
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 September 2016 05:28 (eight years ago) link
Shit.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 September 2016 11:09 (eight years ago) link
Suspect named for the Chelsea bomb, 28 yo Afghanistan born naturalized us citizen of NJ.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/sep/19/us-authorities-investigating-new-jersey-explosive-devices-live-updates
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 September 2016 11:51 (eight years ago) link
home raided
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 September 2016 12:22 (eight years ago) link
iPhone extreme alert during Monday morning commute is one way to change the dialectic
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 19 September 2016 12:31 (eight years ago) link
I know this is 'letting the terrorists win' but I am strongly tempted to call out today
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:00 (eight years ago) link
The NJ stuff is happening about 10 minutes' walk from my apartment.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:00 (eight years ago) link
Hell, if them winning is you taking a personal day then fine, let them have this one.
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:03 (eight years ago) link
Personally, I feel like the 'letting them win' thing is more applicable if bombs go off in NY and NJ and you decide to stay home with the curtains drawn even though you live in Wichita. But if there's danger of subsequent events in a place where shit has already gone down, it's only natural to be cautious.
― ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:11 (eight years ago) link
Did it just now. My boss was cool about it.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:12 (eight years ago) link
Sounds like NY and NJ are handling this very professionally and thoroughly, but then, I don't have TV. Maybe TV is hysterical. Probably so.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 September 2016 13:15 (eight years ago) link
When is TV not hysterical.
― ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:16 (eight years ago) link
Big Bang Theory?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 September 2016 13:17 (eight years ago) link
I don't have tv either. I think they'll handle this well but I'ma give them a day to find the rest of the cached fucking bombs.
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:17 (eight years ago) link
Xpost Oh shit, multiple meanings not intentional.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 September 2016 13:18 (eight years ago) link
XD
― how's life, Monday, 19 September 2016 13:20 (eight years ago) link
Fp'd for microaggression
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:28 (eight years ago) link
Now you're definitely letting the terrorists win.
― ALL TACOE'S 1/2 HALF "OFF" (Old Lunch), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link
making people's phones play a siren sound is not "handling it very professionally" imo but i guess it's not boston-level insanity
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 19 September 2016 13:54 (eight years ago) link
coming home from manhattan over the weekend while cops ran around in the subways yelling F IS CLOSED F IS CLOSED POLICE ACTIVITY GO HOME makes a fella nervous for sure
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 19 September 2016 14:54 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsuXx-LWIAAgyjw.jpg:small
lol
― mookieproof, Monday, 19 September 2016 14:59 (eight years ago) link
suspect captured in Linden NJ after firing at a cop
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 September 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link
Nice
― Evan, Monday, 19 September 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link
Just seen film of him being taken away on a stretcher.
― Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Monday, 19 September 2016 15:51 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/ItsTonyNow/status/777892751757180928
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 19 September 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link
tbf i imagine they're checking for weapons?
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 19 September 2016 16:04 (eight years ago) link