Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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I have never seen MJ talk them up quite so much, on reflection.

― the bluefox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally Pinefox even I don't believe that Spurs Everton is a big game - it is utterly inconsequential. Especially when bearing in mind that both teams typically finish seasons with the same confidence, verve and steadyness as, well... Arsenal. Arf.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there an argument that, for all the silverware GH has brought into Anfield, Roy Evans (remember him?) actually got closer to that elusive Premiership title? If David James hadn't such a nightmare on Easter Monday '97 vs Man Utd, if Liverpool hadn't faltered at Coventry three days after that Game Of The Decade vs KK's Newcastle in '96...they'd have been right in the hunt at the death. Houllier's Liverpool always seem totally out of the race by about February.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

sigh

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

GH's are wrong in the death at the hunt.

― the liverfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Evans had us playing good football too, we were 5 points clear at Christmas that year and looked fantastic.

Maybe the long spell of patience should have been kept for Roy, I don't know. GH has to go this summer anyway, regardless of the position the team finishes in.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

My dearest scouse-related dream is for the Liverpool board to appoint another manager to be Joint Manager alongside Gerard. He wouldn't be in a position to complain, of course, because it's a completely reasonable thing to do, non?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

My dearest scouse-related dream is for the Liverpool board to appoint another manager to be Joint Manager alongside Gerard.

Oh, my heart skips at the notion of "joint manager".

Liverpool under Evanshoullier, Aug-Nov 1998:

P13, W4, D4, L5 - 12th in Prem, out of league cup at home to Spurs.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously any dip in Liverpool's form would be an entirely unwelcome side-effect of my plan.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I am almost ashamed - but no, really just sad - to have to say that I cannot clearly remember that League Cup victory.

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Houllier's grebt season:

UEFA - won against 9-men Spanish team through own goal in extra-time; Spanish team have never been heard of since.

FA Cup - should have been about 4-0 down then two goals with two attacks in the last 10 mins

League Cup - Beat a 1st Division side on penalties

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

but in all of them, won it when others didn't.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Also finishing SECOND IN THE PREMIERSHIP the following season...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

but in all of them, won it when others didn't.

A fitting epitaph for Gerard.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

... can anyone else clearly remember that League Cup victory?

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I do... JOHN SCALES scored! Tottenham went onto win the cup.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The one where we beat Bolton? It's hazy for me I must admit

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember it but the bare details are:

Tuesday, Nov 10, 1998

Liverpool 1 (Owen 80)
Tottenham Hotspur 3 (Iversen 2, Scales 19, Nielsen 61)

Arsenal lost 5-0 at home to Chelsea the following night!

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh christ I remember that, appalling, I watched Chelsea beat what was just about an Arsenal reserve team the next night in a really nice pub in Edinburgh, where I got very drunk on 80bob

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Everton went out the same night on penalties at home to Sunderland, John Collins scoring a rare goal for us in a 1-1 draw. John Collins - what promise, what enormous wages, what a waste.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Jayzus, yes, I remember being 0-3 up, and probably still fearing the Liverpool comeback.

I suppose that 11.98, Owen was still England's brightest young star?

Uh-oh -- he still is?

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Good old Tottenham pessimism. I remember against Chelsea in the Worthington Cup a few years back - it was only when the fourth goal went in that it occurred to me that we might not lose.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Me too!

That was only... 2 years ago?

― the spurfox, Thursday, 8 April 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

In the pub for Dave Boyle's birthday FAP tonight I saw the TV (no sound) flash up 'HEADLINES' then there was a shot of Houllier giving a press conference. I immediately thought that maybe he has resigned - and then they cut to a shot of Keegan, and I was immensely amused at the idea of him as a replacement. Turned out their top headline was about Liverpool hoping to beat Arsenal. Quiet news day, I assume.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Everton can't do F'all because they were a G14ish team that fell by the wayside at exactly the wrong moment. Liverpool had just enough kudos to be included in the G14/perception of being a big European club. I'm glad that on the other thread (EC CUP) everyone takes the anti-G14 attitude they do because remember R Madrid did not win the European Cup between the 1960's & 1998? - Who the fuck were they?
It is about money & because of that I think all our goodwill to Ranieri will disappear next season

― drum (drum), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Owen's put them ahead again! I'm off the pub.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

All gone to shit. Arsenal have scored twice and the pub said it wasn't on Sky. What sodding channel is it on?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not on anywhere as far as I know.

Pay per view maybe? It might be on in a pub here except all pubs and off licences are closed today.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't you ask 'em N.

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I asked them and they said it was on some weird channel they didn't have. I am reduced to comparing web commentaries (left my radio walkman at home for the first time in months and I can't use the plug in one here cause our office electrical weirdness blocks out all AM reception). Soccernet's weird 'gamecast' thing attempts to show what's happening on the field but I can't make head nor tail of it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

tail?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

As ever, eurosport.com's commentary is the most entertaining, but not the most up to date.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you pick up 5Live in Dublin? I can't remember. Or does Irish radio carry it?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I have now made out the tail but the head is still eluding me.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Eurosport guy really has it in for Carragher.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have a radio handy, but I'm going to try and listen online now.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/teams/a/arsenal/html/live_hi.stm

radio won't work for me for some reason.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't think 5live were allowed to broadcast games on the web. It's too late now anyway - my lunch hour is over.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Crap. Henry makes it 4. What makes it worse is that he's not in my FF team cause I thought he was injured.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Shite.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Touching summary from Graham Taylor "It doesn't matter how famous the Arsenal players are, it's easy to forget they're still part of the human race, and a week like this will have been hard for them"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh-oh.

― the beebfox, Friday, 9 April 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

A-ha.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Take Henry?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

listened to it and was quite hopeful at half time, still they were bound to backlash against someone, just had to be us of course didn't it, ah well. Do Newcastle still have to play them too?

Apparent;y Henry's second has to be seen to be believed "Maradonna-esque" What so a defender should have kicked his legs away as he was approaching the area?

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 April 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ron Atkinson: 'And Beckenbauer really has gambled all his eggs'. Heh heh heh. Surely there's a Ron thread lurking somewhere? If not, why not?

― Will McKenzie, Friday, 9 April 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a postscript to all this Good Friday hoohah, half the reason the Pinefox revived this thread. I hope the PF was spared the sadness in Chris Waddle's voice tonight as he tabulated the Hotspur shortcomings. Carr's goal wins the tie on aggregate though. Thanks for the lend of 12th place, you can have it back next week.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris - Newcastle are at home to Arsenal on Sunday. Only one game for the Toonpies this weekend, the trip to Southampton having been put back by the UEFA Cup (commitments & speculation) to May 12th. So L'pool will be up a game in the race for 4th spot until very nearly the end of the campaign.

I was tickled by the delicious notion that Arsenal could remain unbeaten in the Premiership AND STILL NOT WIN IT. Three wins and four draws in the remaining seven - Chelsea could pip them.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"What so a defender should have kicked his legs away as he was approaching the area?"

mm or attempted waving a leg or vaguely moving towards him, that would have been good too

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed that sadness.

Fear not, I have plenty of my own.

― the bluefox, Saturday, 10 April 2004 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

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