Hang on now--Spielberg is the force behind Michael Bay's Transformers shitfests, and the man responsible for foisting Shia Lebouef on the world, so don't be giving him too much credit
― buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
plus yeah, i'm just as inclined to blame spielberg as lucas for that last indy shitfest.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
foisting Shia Lebouef on the world
balls, that shit almost cancels out AI for me...
as for Indy blame, from what I understand it was Lucas that actively vetoed Frank Darabont's script and went with his own Mayan temple fixated horseshit, and that turd remained resolutely unpolished. Guess Spielberg can be blamed for agreeing to make the fucking thing, but the underpinning garbage = all GL.
― Bill A, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
If it wasn't for the piles of money he sleeps on at night, I'd call Lucas a tragic figure
― Young Guns aside, the western is not my favorite genre. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link
from what I understand it was Lucas that actively vetoed Frank Darabont's script and went with his own Mayan temple fixated horseshit, and that turd remained resolutely unpolished. Guess Spielberg can be blamed for agreeing to make the fucking thing, but the underpinning garbage = all GL.
The actual screenplay was written by the guy who wrote the screenplay for Jurassic Park and its sequel, though. And I thought the whole alien plot was right up Spielberg's alley, after all he has been directing and producing various alien movies and TV series since 1977.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Both are 100% establishment hacks now and no doubt both have complete respect for each other as such.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
spielberg doesnt seem like the kind of guy who'd be tortured over not being able to tell his friend that his movies suck - is probably just happy to nod and smile and be nice about it
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
It's like if your mate's in a band that you think are shit you just pretend that you like their band and hope they don't ask too many questions about why you like them.
― Rejoice that you weren't eaten (chap), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Spielberg has produced tons of films, including Harry and the Hendersons and the live-action Flintstones and Casper movies. The movies he has directed himself - the latest IJ aside - have been pretty great.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I was surprised to see his name in the credits for True Grit.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
GL: Say, Steve, so what did you make of The Revenge of The Sith?SS: George, I thought it was just super, rly great. Also, Admiral Bone-To-Pick, I *loved* that guy.
― Bill A, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Spielberg's last seven films as director are pretty patchy and there's a couple of outright disasters
2008 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 2005 Munich 2005 War of the Worlds 2004 The Terminal 2002 Catch Me If You Can 2002 Minority Report 2001 A.I. Artificial Intelligence
― Number None, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
At least four of those movies are among the best he's ever done!
BTW, Spielberg helped storyboard and pre-viz the Anakin/Obi-Wan lava fight at the end of Revenge Of The Sith, so there you go.
― you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
The Terminal and A.I. suck and I haven't seen the last Indy movie, but the other movies are fine
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I adored AI, really liked Munich, CMIFC and WoTW and could probably watch Minority and The Terminal again. Only real stinker there imo is poor ol' Indy.
Re Anakin/Obi-Wan fight, apart from the skipping about on the river of lava I dug that well enough. Certainly chopped up charred up Ani was more than I expected to see so vividly rendered.
― Bill A, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Crystal Skull - Crystal Shit more likeMunich - Very goodWar of the Worlds - nice action, otherwise mehThe Terminal - Horribly misjudged IMO. Should've been a flat-out quirky comedyCatch Me if You Can - Great fun on first viewing, tiring on second. Also kind of sexist.Minority Report - Fantastic until the final actA.I. - I thought it was a mess with a few great ideas when I saw it in the cinema, maybe I should watch it again
― Rejoice that you weren't eaten (chap), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
The Terminal and AI (although i know it has it's defenders) were the disasters i was referring to. Catch Me If You Can and Minority Report really don't hold up on repeat viewings. War of the Worlds pretty much sucks.
― Number None, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude directed The Lost World, cannot be trusted.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
“He claimed he didn’t have a spaceship, but there’s no doubt there’s a Millennium Falcon in a garage somewhere with a pilot just waiting to go… It’s gonna be him and Steven Spielberg and I’ll be blown up like the rest of us.”
this is a movie worth watching! though it sounds like a south park premise.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
this was a Simpsons episode, and a live Kids in the Hall bit (and Mr. Show too, iirc?)
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Spielberge is on record as saying ..Clones is his 'second favourite Star Wars film'. also he features a fair bit in the extras on the prequels dvds apparantly although i haven't seen em.
are Munich and Catch Me If You Can any good then? i thought Speilberg was a washout these days but maybe.. not?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Munich is great, Catch Me If You Can is charming.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw the Robot Chicken version of Munich the other night. Yikes
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
there's some weird backwards thing going on with spielberg where the movies are executed with more confidence the further back in time you go.i have nothing but hate for michael bay but you get the sense that the man has a clear and willful sense of exactly what kind of shit he's going to make you endure.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
2008 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
2005 Munich
2005 War of the Worlds
2004 The Terminal
2002 Catch Me If You Can
2002 Minority Report
2001 A.I. Artificial Intelligence
Though I haven't seen the Indy, did any other director have as good a run in the 00s?
― ryan, Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
coen bros, wachowski bros, any bros I suppose.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
who were the brothers that did "from hell"?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
hughes
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
found munich v boring, heavy and overrated, but mostof his other 00's work was good to great imo. Indy aside obv
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago) link
s1ocki started this thread to suggest options for a poll, but did we ever do a poll thread of this?
― some dude, Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
all the 00's movies are kind of OK passtime, but c'mon:
1989 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 1987 Empire of the Sun 1985 The Color Purple 1984 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom 1983 Twilight Zone: The Movie (segment 2) 1982 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 January 2011 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:38 PM Bookmark
no point, building meter data would win
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Blu Ray trailer looks good despite it combining prequel footage with the originals: http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001175.html
― piscesx, Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Love the originals, but I'm almost completely numb to these movies right now. All those shoddy VFX spliced into the originals will look even WORSE in high-def.
― Millsner, Thursday, 27 January 2011 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Lucas must be the only director that would look at a frame of film with Sir Alec Guinness in it and think "You know what would make this even better? A giant dinosaur butt blocking the entire frame."
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 January 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
A long time ago in another lifetime, I was in a screening room sitting in front of the late Gene Siskel. This was after the first "special edition" came out, and around the same time a new edition of "The Godfather" was screened. Someone asked him how it was, and he said "oh, it's pretty much the same, except now in the wedding scene there's a big giant lizard in the background. And during Brando's death scene, there's a little robot walking around."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 January 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
If Lucas thinks the world will end next year, won't that (with any luck) stop him 3ding these fuckers? No point, surely, since they won't be out in time.
― buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Thursday, 27 January 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
is there any more 2012 ho-lucas-t information besides the seth rogen hearsay?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 27 January 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Lucas is waiting until he can release these in 4-D, in Smell-O-Vision.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 January 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I love the smell of bantha shit in the morning.
― Rejoice that you weren't eaten (chap), Thursday, 27 January 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I recently watched anamorphically re-encoded versions of the originals that came out on the 2006 DVD release and it was such a pleasure! I'd almost forgot that they could be enjoyable. They're obviously GREAT movies in their original form, but the special editions are simply unwatchable. Despite the egregious and anachronistic cgi insertions, the whole thing has been color-corrected to death.
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 28 January 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
The only thing I truly found about the increases sfx editions was the really bizarre song break-out in Jabba's bar in the 1st or 2nd (or..3rd?) movie. And I'm not even sure if that was actually one of the deleted scenes, but it was truly fucking insane.
And I guess while I'm at it I can't seem to remember the first encounter w/ Jabba and Han Solo actually having him mobile and talking to Han on the way to the m. falcon? Was that even changed? Did it always look so awful?
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Friday, 28 January 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
song was in the 3rd one. they shot it just for the SE.
in the 70s version han talks to jabba offscreen. theatrical SE and the current editions have very different versions of that scene, mainly because the original CG jabba looked fucking awful even by 1997 standards.
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Friday, 28 January 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Xp yeah.
Han never meets him in the first film, they added the whole scene by cgi-ing Jabba over the original actor from a scene that was deleted. Et voila!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itWq71Y5-B4
To confuse things further they re-CGI'd the scene a bit for the DVD in '04 to make it more realistic than the original re-releases that came out in the late 90s. http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ec/Ataleoftwohutts.jpg
There are yet more changes planned for the new Blu Ray edition. He probably.. flies in or something.
― piscesx, Friday, 28 January 2011 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
http://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/duneharkonnen.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 January 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow, Friday, January 28, 2011 12:52 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
Those are pretty awful DVD transfers though. I have a strong suspicion that Lucas deliberately made sure that the DVD transfers of the non-special editions were half-assed.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 28 January 2011 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh this is precisely why this is so sad - Lucas has actually ruined your memory
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 January 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
any good write-ups on what lucas has to say about the new editions? all i've heard is that he's fairly proud of them and that his vision can finally be completed w/ the ease of sfx.
i can't deny the guy is a grade-a definition visionary (YOU try simply imagining a universe as unique and in-depth as the star wars one) but i really can't believe the guy when thinking that back in the 70's, as he was gazing at the sarlacc pit that he had thought "if only this had a beak, then it would be complete" (it's a FUCKING MOUTH IN THE GROUND. how horrifying/ novel is that already?)
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Friday, 28 January 2011 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Did not know about the Jabba CGI re-do. Weird. Also, i totally agree with kelpolaris re: the only real big jarring problem was the singing scene in ROTJ. Sorta felt like the moment you saw that, you knew you had been sucked from the normal universe of OG Star Wars into the parallel dimension of hell that is Jar Jar Binks & Kit Fisto.
There's a great DVD bootleg someone's put together called "Deleted Magic", which is the first Star Wars with all the outtakes and unreleased footage synced up to the original Laserdisc film and shit. Absolutely jaw-dropping and a million times more enjoyable than anything past ROTJ.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 January 2011 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
UGH I HATE THAT JABBA SCENE. like i'm a grown-up now and i don't CARE about all the rest, i don't CARE that greedo shoots first, i don't CARE about the dinosaur butts, i don't CARE that there's little bullshit animals scampering around every establishing shot farting, i don't care about any of it EXCEPT THE JABBA SCENE god i hate it so so so so so so much. so much.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 January 2011 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link