rolling veggie swag 2011: veg[etari]ans unite and cook the tastiest food imaginable (omnis u shd get in on this, too)

seriously tasted like restaurant-quality food. so impressed with myself right now, although tbh the recipe is one of the easiest in the world.

ohmigod that looks delicious

wd pay dollar signs for that dish

So did you find the refrigerated box thing??

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I mean the Gardeins that were not frozen. Sorry, that was bafflingly vague of me.

oh lol yes i found them at whole foods - got the beef tips and the bbq wings too, think maybe i'll try ronnen's beef stew?? just ordered his recipe book tonight!

i am still thinking about how amazing that scallopine was

Shit damn I want to make this so bad now

Oh god I think I am like srsly in <3 w/ this guy atm. I wonder what his favorite Smiths song is?

lol

that recipe looks dope, btw

That udon noodle fried cake was a nice touch - must try.

lol i am not used to patterny dishes and i as like "y did justine put her dinner directly on the tablecloth"

tart w/ potatoes, zucchini, leeks, feta, and dill

steve have you eaten any of these crazy gorgeous desserts: http://www.vegantreats.com/

oh, fuck yes. P much every vegan pizzeria/eatery in PHL+NYC has Vegan Treats desserts on the menu. They are maybe a bit pricey, and I so rarely have room for them after a meal, but oh my damn they are amazing. My friends and I split a (fuckin huge-ass) cinnamon roll w/ crm ch icing once and they were like "uh, dude, I'm pretty sure this isn't vegan". But of course, it was <3

well the dinner i cooked tonight was so so gross and now i'm starving :(

i think it was extra-gross tasting after last night's total success.

sorry to be a downer but can I just

I am sort of sick of this whole "vegans are so pretentious and haughty, let's make fun of them all the time" thing. Like I mean I really fucking loved Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and all but I found the whole super pretentious vegan/vegan police thing sort of uncomfortable and unpleasant. I mean, it is negating all of these legitimate reasons why people become vegan and making it into this big self-absorption/status joke

I guess i just dk why it's so okay and funny and PC to totally rip apart vegans but not Buddhists or Muslims or something

because its not a religion? i dunno, i know a lot of vegans that bend over backwards to be like "its NOT a religion, god, why does everyone assume it is!!!" also btw it's funny to rip apart christians and neocons, so

i mean i totally get why it's irritating/offensive, don't get me wrong. it's just that in a weird way i think that getting ribbed for being self-serious is like a weird and maybe incorrect way of vegans getting mainstreamed? like "yeah yeah i know, vegans can be pretty righteous, but no really this shit is abominable"

Well I mean for a large chunk of ppl, it's about the ethical yuckiness of breeding/slaughtering animals, so to be all "I think this is sort of wrong and it makes me uncomfortable" and then for someone else to just be all "OMG HAHA YOU ARE SUCH A HAUGHTY SHIT" is kind of insulting

And I totally don't feel like it's a legitimate way of mainstreaming veganism. It's a way of mainstreaming this perceived batshit loony ridiculousness of veganism that just makes it harder and harder to get the point across in any serious fashion

I mean we are talking less "Will and Grace" and more, idk, "Beverly Hills Cop" iykwim

I hope you guys find it as lol as I do that this list of "The Religious Affiliation of the 100 Greatest Rock Musicians" has both Robin Gibb and Thom Yorke's religions as "vegan." It just made me think they were v stupid abt "what is a religion."

or maybe you find this lol mostly sad

i think part of the problem is that, as with other "out groups", there's maybe a schism/spectrum within the vegan community as to how veganism ought to be characterized? like some ppl are "i'm vegan and i don't care if you're not, just let me do my thang" and other ppl are "i will not rest until these jags stop murdering animals and polluting the g-d planet." an amiable iteration of the former might tolerate some light jokes (cf azn/gay/jew jokes within some social circles) and an irascible iteration of the latter won't tolerate that shit, even in the mildest sense, and even if it means alienating some peeps.

in scott pilgrim, i sorta got the impression that the vegan police was a joke being made by someone who knew and liked, and respected, vegans, and who probably got a 'heh' from his vegan pals. maybe?

i'm just kinda playing devil's advocate here, but i think that the argument for "funny" stereotypes of vegans (or any out group) is that being self-deprecating is a way of getting a place at the table. its....gross? but it's also got a hell of a track record. can't beat 'em, make 'em laugh. now, obv, i'm guessing that the dude that wrote pilgrim is NOT a vegan, but i'd wager that he has vegan friends who weren't really that bothered by the characterization? nb i have no real reason to believe that other than the fact that a lot of people have vegan friends....which is a pretty recent development!

xp Hahahaha okay yes that is p lol. I mean, there are obviously a lot of facets of religion that apply to veganism but I mean it is really fucking stupid to actually list it on a page of other religions.

The first Scott Pilgrim book had four or five pages devoted to a recipe/how-to-make guide of vegan shepherd's pie.

OTOH the vegan powers guy did come off as a dick. I haven't seen the movie.

No no, I mean, I am a huge fan of self-deprecation and love a good clever joke, but I mean there is a diff btwn Q: What is the hardest part abt rollerblading? A: telling yr parents yr gay (way lol!) and Q: What do you call a gay man in a wheelchair? A: Rol-AIDS (not lol at all). I mean that is a very hyperbolic example (vegan police is totally not an AIDS joke), but I kind of got the feel that it was totally mocking but not at all in a loving/respectful way.

I mean maybe it is just poking fun at the haughty, self-absorbed vegans (which I mean let's be real, there are several of) but if it did it wasn't made very clear. I mean, I was reading one vegan cookbook that was listing all these suggestions of replacements of common phrases that involved animals in any form, like "Instead of saying 'Don't count all your chickens before they hatch', say 'Don't weigh all your tofu before it's coagulated!" or some ridiculous shit and it was like "okay lady you are the reason people won't take us seriously.

IDK perhaps I am totally contradicting myself here.

:O
I have been weighing my tofu all wrong

i just skimmed some interview with the dude that played the vegan and in response to a 'response of the vegan community' q he was all "well he DOES have superpowers etc. i'm guessing they all have a pretty good sense of humor."

i dunno. i guess my own personal reaction is that, generally speaking, letting some stereotypes slide is pretty ok, you just gotta know where to draw the line in the sand. and (not a vegan, mind!) i guess that i wouldn't see a comical superhero in a teenager's movie packed with light and generally affectionate stereotypes as a line-drawing situation. also there is the fact that vegans, though maybe not mainstream and not taken seriously, are not like some repressed group or anything?

xp ok yeah, those two jokes are along the lines of what i was thinking. first: pretty hilarious imo! second: despicable! but vegans dont get beaten up and denied civil rights, you know? i feel really strongly about cycling and car culture and so on, but if someone put a self-righteous cyclist in a movie (its bound to happen) i would either laugh if it was artfully done, or just http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif if it wasn't.

god its vandermeme again

I mean maybe it is just poking fun at the haughty, self-absorbed vegans (which I mean let's be real, there are several of) but if it did it wasn't made very clear. I mean, I was reading one vegan cookbook that was listing all these suggestions of replacements of common phrases that involved animals in any form, like "Instead of saying 'Don't count all your chickens before they hatch', say 'Don't weigh all your tofu before it's coagulated!" or some ridiculous shit and it was like "okay lady you are the reason people won't take us seriously.

this is really, honestly, how i read it. like i <3 vegans and still try to be as veggie as possible (i am weak), but then i run into a dumpster diving gutterpunk scornful of the wool sweater i got at a thrift store and its like dude?

I get what you're saying Stevie D, it's probably that the most extreme forms of a movement are also the lowest hanging fruit w/r/t joeks and also tend to metonymize the whole process...it's just how it "works"

basically that, yeah

my beef is with ppl who bring up the vegan thing and then get all defensive: obv i am not vegan - not even vegetarian, strictly speaking - but my husband is, and he NEVER talks about it, brings up the topic or ANYTHING around ANYONE, but if someone is trying to push something on him like a burger or whatever, he'll say 'um no thanks i'm vegan'. and that's it. he never proselytizes. BUT some ppl just automatically go on the defensive, and their rhetoric always has this core of like WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE ME VEGAN. it drives me crazy. although tbh he works in a fairly 'macho' workplace/industry so he deals with it more than the average vegan probably does.

i mean, he's been at this place 3.5 years and STILL gets pretty insulting 'jokes' about veganism on the reg. not funny, friendly jokes either - just plain mean/condescending/repetitive stuff.

dyao pretty otm there. I mean it's not just SPvTW, it's all these other things I've seen over and over and I'm not even megainfuriated or anything, I'm just like *SIGH* "here we go again"

not sure if my post is clear - should really say 'my beef is with MEATEATERS who bring up the vegan thing and then get all defensive'.

OMG that hyperdefensive shit drives me nuts! I am p much the same way, and even when people offer me food I'll politely decline and won't actually so "no thanks, I'm vegan" unless they are really naggy abt it. Also, I could be projecting other things onto this, I really don't know. But "queer" and "vegan" both have this antimasculine/"lesser" otherness thing and I'm so batshit frustrated with gender roles/heteronomrativity/all of this in the first place that I could just be angry abt that a little bit too. I don't know. I should maybe get some sleep and try to think abt this in the morning.

Instead of saying "my beef with meateaters", try using "my soy-protein with Satan's children" instead

lololololol

never change

I misread that as "my soy-protein with Santa's children" and as you can imagine I was rather confused.

lol steve <3

and yes the 'vegan as less masculine' thing is so true - EVERY time we eat out, the waiter/waitress will put the vegan dish down in front of me. every time.

(it is this book, btw http://books.google.com/books?id=JM7vMXwpFM8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false they are at the bottom of the page every few pages)

omg justine are you fucking kidding me? that would piss me off on all kinds of different levels