"Aliens" : Some nice effects, but actually kind've a crap film.

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yeah william peter blatty, who is a real weirdo

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

also there's this very interesting piece from L.A. Weekly last week regarding this Exorcist prequel.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/38/features-foundas.php

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry Tom, the design in Aliens rings very true for me and it's actually one of my favorite ever sci-fi visions. I have absolutely no problem with it at all, especially since it was coming from 1986 (you are a bit younger than I am and maybe this is an interesting example of sci-fi expectation). I really like how most of the stuff was just a slight update on current technology. This served the story well as it means we could identify with the Space Marines (and be reminded of Vietnam etc) and with the rest of the technology. I happen to firmly believe that the future will not look very different from the one presented in Aliens (although it will probably be tackier). The same goes for Alien (except for the 'mother' computer room which is terrible now).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh ooooh good Vietnam analogy!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's also explicitly stated I think on some of the dvd bonus features. I've actually built a drop-ship model kit and had a miniature APC. I considered buying a 1/1 scale pulse rifle too - but thought that might look weird.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I flipped past Aliens on TNT last night myself and of course had to watch like half an hour of it, but what struck me was how it looked like every sci-fi shoot-em-up video game from the past ten years. If you want to talk influentiality. And neologisms.

― wickerbocker please (hammy), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

there would be no doom or halo as we know them without aliens, that's for sure.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

No Super Soakers, either.

― sexyDancer, Friday, 20 August 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex in NYC is LeBrain Boy

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ballsy thing about "Aliens:" there's something like 45 minutes of nothing before anything really happens, at least in the theatrical version. It's like, OK, this is going to be slow, like "Alien." Then, blam, all the shooting starts. Nice misdirection on Cameron's part.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The actress who plays vasquez... K-ROWR!!!

Were you as entranced when she did that salute with the gun when they were getting ready to drop onto the planet? That was a sexy piece.

Alien: Resurrection is the funniest of the lot.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Alien: Resurrection is the best one by far. 2 and 3 just sucked.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is it the best? BASKETBALL.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: Alien Monkey! Come on guys! Alien Monkey!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I really enjoyed Alien: Resurrection (even more than '3' which I still liked but found too depressing). Resurrection really continues to delve into the gender/sex aspects but with the cloning twist - the whole series is a feast for psychoanalysis fans.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Dominique Pinon as the paraplegic whose unfeeling legs keep getting injured. I don't know if I'm remembering right, but I think there was a scene where one of the other space pirates (space pirates!) sort of casually throws a knife into his leg and he doesn't notice for a minute, and when he does his reaction is like "oh man, why'd you do that!?"

― Dan I., Friday, 20 August 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus the underwater scene, the scene with the other failed Ripley clones, and that one where the alien gets into the transport full of safety-belted marines/soldiers so the officer-guy just rolls a grenade in there. So good, this movie.

― Dan I., Friday, 20 August 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It sucks that Warwick form CSI dies som needlesslyy. I watched it last week ansd was suprised by how much it didn't suckas much as the firstbtiem O watched it.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 20 August 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Aliens is utterlyu great, fucka ll teh haters.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Friday, 20 August 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like any of the alien movies, not sure why.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 20 August 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Alien 3 at least tried to put a new spin on things, i I remember correctly (and took the "big guns" element away, no? Wasn't it in some space prison without weapons....and hair?) That said, the ridiculously overwrought symbolism of Ripley's sacrifice at the end left me as cold and clammy as the set looked. Alien Resurrection? I gave up expecting anything by then. I remember being significantly creeped out by the botched clone element and the hybridized alien-human baby thing, but the whole thing didn't win me over. I remember her being in it, but I can't for the life of me remember what Winona brought to the table of any substance, if anything.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 August 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like any of the alien movies, not sure why.

What type of goth are you! You're fired.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, you should seek out that other version of Alien 3. Is it good? No, not really, but it's better than what was released. Many of the stupid things the studio imposed are gone, and it's closer to what Fincher originally envisioned.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

but I can't for the life of me remember what Winona brought to the table of any substance, if anything.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), August 20th, 2004 8:48 PM. (vassifer) (later) (link)

additional hottness?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 21 August 2004 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

No, she brought nothing. The movie was great, but it would have been exactly as great without her. Her role was a total void. She did nothing. I think pretty much the only plot point that hinged on her character was where she had to hook herself into the ship's computer for some stupid contrived reason, like to open some doors or something.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 21 August 2004 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh there might have also been some "Oh no! Ripley has 'issues' with droids (or whatever they called them in those movies)! Look out!" stuff.

Ooh and also as a sort of waypoint on Ripley's movie-long seething lesbian lust rampage until it came to rest on the Queen alien.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 21 August 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ok so i watched this again (thank you alex for reminding me of this terrific movie!) and when it was over i am slightly embarrassed to say that i exclaimed loudly to no one in particular, "rockin' good times!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also to clear up any controversy, when riply activates the torch on the loader she presses a button marked "welder"!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also some of the marines stuff is a bit corny but i loved it anyway

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

slocki I love you.

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

also i think regardless this is a very well-written movie. vahid i think mentioned the bishop/ash thing, and how that carried over from the first movie; it's a good example of how relationships between characters in this movie are very well-mapped out, and how they change over the course of the film (vasquez and the shaky lieutenant is another example)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the bishop - vasquez axis is so fucking great and I'm not explaining it.

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

also i cannot express enough my love for bill paxton in this movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck I mean vasquez - um not apone yeah 'shaky lieutenant' relationship. this is only three glasses of wine!

x-post

otm! "GAME OVER MAN!" (no comma!)

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i forget the lieutenant's name. but he's not apone, that's the sarge who gets killed in that wicked first firefight in the nest (the use of the portable video cameras & life-sign monitors in that scene is pretty virtuosic btw)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

gorman.

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yes!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

and can i say for the record that paul reiser is totally good in this movie! he does a great 80s corporate scumbag smoothie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

... edged with reticence and shady doubt.

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Disgusting self-serving yuppie dick-licking that you can believe!

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

t i exclaimed loudly to no one in particular, "rockin' good times!"

Hahahahahahahaha. I love that.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Al-yens = crap"
"OMG. No."
"Yes."
"But, like, no."
"Yes."
"Still, though...no, eh?"
"Yes."
"NO!"
"Yes."
"No, damn you."
"Yes."
"But like, look at this here - no."
"Yes."
"Still, um, well, wouldn't it be like -"
"Yes."

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

did you highfive yourself after you wrote that girolamo?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, I just shook my own hand.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Dudes who don't like Aliens be cool-levelheaded, don't give a fuck types, whilst dudes who do like Aliens be spaztic, easily excitable dweebs.

Reverse the roles for Alien, though.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 22 August 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The portable video-camera and life sign monitor bit is great, yes. I'd forgotten about that.

I watched Sigourney Weaver in "Galaxy Quest" last night, btw!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 22 August 2004 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Dudes who don't like Aliens be cool-levelheaded, don't give a fuck types, whilst dudes who do like Aliens be spaztic, easily excitable dweebs.
Reverse the roles for Alien, though.

-- Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), August 22nd, 2004.

i take offense at that, ALIENS IS TEH BEST MOOVIE EVER YOU SATANIC HEATHENITE MARTIAN FUXOR

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

AND IA IN'T EASILY EXCITATITABALE OR WHATEVERS

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the extras on disc 2 are very good, real aliens-production-porn

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Dominique Pinon as the paraplegic whose unfeeling legs keep getting injured. I don't know if I'm remembering right, but I think there was a scene where one of the other space pirates (space pirates!) sort of casually throws a knife into his leg and he doesn't notice for a minute, and when he does his reaction is like "oh man, why'd you do that!?"

Ron Perlman (aforementioned knife-wielder) should be in every movie.

The Space Pirate Captain is almost as great (and he was hands-down my favorite actor as a kid, for his performance in Robin Hood) - "She is... severely fuckable, isn't she?"

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

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