Yeah I know. Which plays fine, as it stand. I kinda think that outburst seems extreme without the context.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 1 January 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm kinda amazed at all the ppl outraged she dissed frank james here - you fuckers all bobby brady or something?
― balls, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean morbs using 'she got a little grouchier when she was older' as some sorta 'gaze into the abyss' parable w/o irony is a bit much imo.
― balls, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno that I said that. She's seems essentially unchanged at the core, as most of us are after we're five years old.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 January 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't believe I called this "aggressively OK-ish." it's definitely grown in memory.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Sunday, 2 January 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i might be conflating yr thoughts w/ some other - my bad morbs! i enjoyed this a great deal, would love more matt damon comedies (i even enjoyed that farrelly bros one enough), the girl was pretty great. wish this was more the baseline intelligence and skill we could expect from a hollywood entertainment than the exception but i'll take what i can get. somewhat suprised the coens didn't go wilder w/ their western pic, somewhat relieved at the same time. would like to see more coen westerns. would like to see a rooster cogburn remake w/ jennifer jason leigh in full hudsucker mode.
― balls, Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't believe I called this "aggressively OK-ish."
Especially since they filmed it all in NM and TX!
― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
would like to see a rooster cogburn remake w/ jennifer jason leigh in full hudsucker mode.
this is sort of an amazing idea
― they call him (remy bean), Sunday, 2 January 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Cosign
― VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 2 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
So this is officially the highest grossing Coen Bros film to date.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Thought that was weird until I checked and saw that the previous title-holder was No Country. Americans love them some Coen westerns.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha it's the 6th highest grossing Western of all time, about to pass Back to the Future 3... lol, earthlings, i do not understand you.
― Kerm, Monday, 3 January 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
and the Coens are closer to becoming household names: True Grit is the only movie non cineastes watched and wanted to talk about over the holiday, I noticed, and every relative/friend I talked to alluded to the Coen filmography.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ WWW @ #2 on that list
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Open Range!
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Coens are definitely approaching Hitchcock/Spielberg territory where people who don't even particularly know what directors do know them/their work.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
these are not inflation adjusted grosses so w/e
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Totally entertaining movie, which makes it my favorite Coen thing since Lebowski (the last time they were willing to be totally entertaining, or maybe able to). First 5 minutes I thought Mattie was going to annoy me, but then she turned out to be cool. All three leads are really good. I like the classicism, and I think it makes sense for the Coens. They can do a lot worse than punchy genre exercises.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that I could even tell it was Barry Pepper when watching the film, but he's kind of like a mini-4th lead in my opinion. Even if Brolin got higher billing.
― mh, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
btw No Country is not a western. Set in West /= western.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
(need horses)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I found Intolerable Cruelty totally entertaining, if minor.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Pickup trucks are the horses of our time, especially when driving across cattle lands.
― mh, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus, Tommy Lee Jones borrowed his wife's horse.
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
plus he used that cattle killing thing to off the cop
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
bardem^
it's a noir in the desert, mostly
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
j0e that is an OLD MOVIE term, so get the garlic out
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Mexico = Indian Territory, the suitcase = the gold under the grave next to Arch Stanton's, etc. Totally a western.
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
villain vanishes into ether at the end? not in any western I recall.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, January 2, 2011 11:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not sure what youre referring to here, but fwiw i do agree that ncfom wasnt a western
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
noir
I'm glad we agree
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
oh lol yeah what does than mean even is it like 3D
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
almost, w/out glasses
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
ncfom is not a western. it's pretty straight noir w/ a touch of southern gothic (which may just be a subset of noir anyway). though to be fair the villain vanishes into ether at the end of shane.
― balls, Monday, 3 January 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
heh i thought real cineastes hated the term 'noir'
this was tremendous, the sequence of running the horse to dxxth (spoiler) is some of the best stuff they've ever done, put me in mind of both buscemi burying the money in the snow and the dude's hallucinations, but w/o any fucking around, if that makes sense. everybody was great, esp. damon.
― goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
ever thtalwart
Lol at 19 movies on that westerns list doing worse than Heavens Gate
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, January 3, 2011 5:00 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
High Plains Drifter? (agree on ncfom absolutely not being a western)
― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 3 January 2011 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
No really, let's discuss how NCFOM is a western. For starters, it has the words "country" and "old men" in the title.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
and "for"
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
the sequence of running the horse to dxxth (spoiler) is some of the best stuff they've ever done
yeah it was haunting and horrible. and the close-in shots of them riding had this borderline sexual passion to it.. amazing and uncomfortable and sublime all at the same time somehow
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 January 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
thought this was great, if not exactly stunning in any particular way. i went in having read much of this thread, and gotta say that the "disney" thing seems totally otm, but for reasons i can't quite pin down yet. also had no difficulty squaring old mattie with young mattie, and didn't find her to be "unsympathetic" at all, i dunno
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
not exactly "unsympathetic"; I think it was Glenn Kenny who described the character as "a real pill."
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
The one thing I'm trying to which I'm trying to reconcile is my forgiveness of some of the deus ex machina (that was in the book, too.)
Like oh no, Mattie is about to be kilt by Tom Chaney and oh look, there's La Bouef from out of nowhere there to save the day. Yay! Why is it that I would rmde any other time this happens, but I let it go with True Grit?
Also, the whole climax between Rooster and Ned's gang. Goes by pretty quick. It works, but the whole thing could've been shaky in the hands of any other actor/director/writer.
― http://tinyurl.com/MO-02011 (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
how'd you get that idea
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 3 January 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i think there's a lot of things i'm willing to forgive ~in this film~ just because it's an adaptation (which may not be fair at all). i've never seen the original or read the book, but i'd probably roll my damn eyes a lot harder at a john wayne movie. here i'm like 'well this is what they're working with, and they managed it well.'
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
also i kinda liked how perfunctory the final showdowns were (both mattie/chaney and rooster/ned). just kinda 'welp.'
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Kinda like the spoiler in No Country.
― http://tinyurl.com/MO-02011 (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link