I think when a novelist or filmmaker jumps ahead 25 years to give you a glimpse of the protagonist, it's supposed to be fairly representative of her character.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
What is endearing in children is irritating and worse in adults. Go fig.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i intend to stop belaboring this point but: thats a pretty broad brush
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, I think PP's interpretation of the exchange is undoubtedly the correct one.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah prob
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the missing arm pretty much drives the point home
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I simply cant bear old Mattie being described as a c---. I let it go the first time way upthread but yeah, please, not that word for her.
(I'm not above using it in anger at inanimate objects but I hate it as a descriptor.)
I admit it's more a personal thing, the book is close to my heart for a long long time, Mattie especially. *That* word just undermines everything she went through.
Im not going to flip out or anything, just needed to state my case for her.
Carry on!
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Perhaps that was harsh, sorry; I suppose one can pity the way old-school Protestantism has warped her (and America) if that's not too severe.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't realise this was a portis story. his stuff is hilare
― joran van der snood (cozen), Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks Morbs. You're a good stick :)
FYI for anyone who is interested, The book (and history) sheds more light on her distaste for Frank James on the final scene: the other elderly outlaw was Cole Younger. Younger was partnered with the James gang at the Northfield robbery where the gang was caught: Frank James killed the bank officer, but surrendered to police & later acquitted. Younger was charged with the murder, did 25 years for Frank James' crime.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 1 January 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
in the movie it seemed like it was because he didnt stand up
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 1 January 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I know. Which plays fine, as it stand. I kinda think that outburst seems extreme without the context.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 1 January 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm kinda amazed at all the ppl outraged she dissed frank james here - you fuckers all bobby brady or something?
― balls, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean morbs using 'she got a little grouchier when she was older' as some sorta 'gaze into the abyss' parable w/o irony is a bit much imo.
― balls, Saturday, 1 January 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno that I said that. She's seems essentially unchanged at the core, as most of us are after we're five years old.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 January 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't believe I called this "aggressively OK-ish." it's definitely grown in memory.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Sunday, 2 January 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i might be conflating yr thoughts w/ some other - my bad morbs! i enjoyed this a great deal, would love more matt damon comedies (i even enjoyed that farrelly bros one enough), the girl was pretty great. wish this was more the baseline intelligence and skill we could expect from a hollywood entertainment than the exception but i'll take what i can get. somewhat suprised the coens didn't go wilder w/ their western pic, somewhat relieved at the same time. would like to see more coen westerns. would like to see a rooster cogburn remake w/ jennifer jason leigh in full hudsucker mode.
― balls, Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't believe I called this "aggressively OK-ish."
Especially since they filmed it all in NM and TX!
― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 2 January 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
would like to see a rooster cogburn remake w/ jennifer jason leigh in full hudsucker mode.
this is sort of an amazing idea
― they call him (remy bean), Sunday, 2 January 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Cosign
― VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 2 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
So this is officially the highest grossing Coen Bros film to date.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Thought that was weird until I checked and saw that the previous title-holder was No Country. Americans love them some Coen westerns.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha it's the 6th highest grossing Western of all time, about to pass Back to the Future 3... lol, earthlings, i do not understand you.
― Kerm, Monday, 3 January 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
and the Coens are closer to becoming household names: True Grit is the only movie non cineastes watched and wanted to talk about over the holiday, I noticed, and every relative/friend I talked to alluded to the Coen filmography.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ WWW @ #2 on that list
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Open Range!
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Coens are definitely approaching Hitchcock/Spielberg territory where people who don't even particularly know what directors do know them/their work.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Monday, 3 January 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
these are not inflation adjusted grosses so w/e
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Totally entertaining movie, which makes it my favorite Coen thing since Lebowski (the last time they were willing to be totally entertaining, or maybe able to). First 5 minutes I thought Mattie was going to annoy me, but then she turned out to be cool. All three leads are really good. I like the classicism, and I think it makes sense for the Coens. They can do a lot worse than punchy genre exercises.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that I could even tell it was Barry Pepper when watching the film, but he's kind of like a mini-4th lead in my opinion. Even if Brolin got higher billing.
― mh, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
btw No Country is not a western. Set in West /= western.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
(need horses)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I found Intolerable Cruelty totally entertaining, if minor.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Pickup trucks are the horses of our time, especially when driving across cattle lands.
― mh, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus, Tommy Lee Jones borrowed his wife's horse.
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
plus he used that cattle killing thing to off the cop
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
bardem^
it's a noir in the desert, mostly
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
j0e that is an OLD MOVIE term, so get the garlic out
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Mexico = Indian Territory, the suitcase = the gold under the grave next to Arch Stanton's, etc. Totally a western.
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Monday, 3 January 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
villain vanishes into ether at the end? not in any western I recall.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, January 2, 2011 11:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not sure what youre referring to here, but fwiw i do agree that ncfom wasnt a western
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
noir
I'm glad we agree
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
oh lol yeah what does than mean even is it like 3D
― ice cr?m, Monday, 3 January 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
almost, w/out glasses
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 January 2011 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link
ncfom is not a western. it's pretty straight noir w/ a touch of southern gothic (which may just be a subset of noir anyway). though to be fair the villain vanishes into ether at the end of shane.
― balls, Monday, 3 January 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
heh i thought real cineastes hated the term 'noir'
this was tremendous, the sequence of running the horse to dxxth (spoiler) is some of the best stuff they've ever done, put me in mind of both buscemi burying the money in the snow and the dude's hallucinations, but w/o any fucking around, if that makes sense. everybody was great, esp. damon.
― goole, Monday, 3 January 2011 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
ever thtalwart
Lol at 19 movies on that westerns list doing worse than Heavens Gate
― our man flint flo$$y (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link