2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Yahoo headline is:
Who won Texas showdown?
Clinton accuses Obama of plagiarism, but he calls charge evidence of a "silly season."

re: big final Clinton speech

"Moments later, an email popped up from her communications director, Howard Wolfson. They just couldn't leave well enough alone. The subject line: Final Moment.

"What we saw in the final moments in that debate is why Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States. Her strength, her life experience, her compassion. She's tested and ready. It was the moment she retook the reins of this race and showed women and men why she is the best choice."

So that maybe wasn't so spontaneous, either. Just better rehearsed."

xpost hmm that's not bad, most of the others i've read just have her zing

i lolled at silly season, knew that would get picked up.

Obama seriously needs to stop doodling on that notepad, he looked like he was falling asleep.

i thought obama was great. strongest performance so far, and he had well-reasoned responses to the questions. hillary was just okay until the final question, which she absolutely knocked out of the park. i enjoyed the debate! not yawni at all!

i dunno. If I were an outsider I might agree that Barry's ppl are delusional. dude keeps rising in the polls, triumphing against the somewhat mythologized clinton machine while msm fans the flames of hype (simultaneously questioning that hype) and creates talking points about his fervent followers, and then you tune into this debate to find this reasonably intellectual speaker who makes some good points, misses some good opportunities, 'um's and 'uh's a lot and who avoids straightforward questions like "when were you tested?" in order to stay on message in obv and robotic ways.

then again i spend too much time trying to figure out how uninformed voters perceive this shit.

he def flubbed the last question, but i also doubt that was something either of them were prepared for, and he had to go first. so i think he basically just rattled off 90 seconds from his stump speech. even he seemed uninspired by it. but honestly that was the only time i really felt like he was messaging (check that: the special interests/lobbyists lines that i hate he uses but i'm sure that genpop responds to that kinda shit): he just came off as smart and thoughtful and responsible.

YGS otm, i havent seen all his debates but of the ones i have this was his best
his answer on the plagiarism 'issue' was A+++

i keep wondering wtf people like cosmo are talking about w/r/t msm fans 'flaming the hype' when all the newswires are busier highlighting her 'u xerox change lol!' zingers

http://www.slate.com/id/2184696/

Of course Barack is an ENFP.

flaming the hype: as in the last several months, where I've seen a lot of excitable babble about the new guy, and then a week later same heads are all "what's with all this excitable babble about the new guy?", at which point it self-perpetuates.

from http://dyn.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/index.cfm/category/Debates

Clinton Tonight: ?

You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.

Edwards the December 13 debate:

What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.

actual roffles

but obv. that's a pretty general feel-good stump speechlet

hehehe. I am not feeling all that great myself! Busy trying to get a new job, I think that will help (maybe.. because it might be related to politics, though not in the game directly)

fhilarious

I'm an ENFP!

Clinton, 92: "The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time."

Hillary Clinton, tonight: "You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/21/superdelegate-schmoozed-by-chelsea-backs-obama/

Unflattering Candidate Photos: slideshow

Pathetic. Phone us if you know how to beat Obama!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/22/wuspols222.xml

i just thought i'd mention this here, since it hasn't been as far as i can see -- obama won the "democrats abroad" primary handily which adds i think about the same number of delegates to his column as rhode island has

okay i've got a question: people are making a big deal about the standing ovation given at the end of hilz' closing remarks.

when i was watching it, i just thought they were giving a standing ovation because it was the end of the debate, it didn't really cross my mind that they were standing up for her remarks in particular. but now everyone's saying it was for her... what do you guys think?

lol hillary giving obama shit abt xeroxing lines then does it twice in the same debate - u r supposed to be the pro here hillary wtf

The Clinton campaign at times found itself spending money on items that were not ultimately helpful. As part of their get-out-the-vote effort in Iowa, the campaign came up with a plan to have a local supermarket deliver sandwich platters to pre-caucus parties. It spent more than $95,384 on Jan. 1 at Hy-Vee Inc., a local grocery chain in West Des Moines, Iowa, in addition to buying loads of snow shovels to clear the walks for caucusgoers. Mrs. Clinton came in third in the Jan. 3 caucus. It did not snow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/us/politics/22clinton.html

lol

i just like this a lot:

in addition to buying loads of snow shovels to clear the walks for caucusgoers. Mrs. Clinton came in third in the Jan. 3 caucus. It did not snow.

yah that article is quite zingy

"She wound up spending at roughly the same rate as Mr. Obama, about a million dollars a day"!!

Am I alone in being kind of amazed at these figures?

The US presidential campaigns combined have now cost over a billion dollars

the whole situation is complete madness

http://i26.tinypic.com/mllapx.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/28v9bgj.jpg

lol drudge tryin to get obama assassinated

Good, good, just checking. xp.

I mean it's pretty easy to see how things have got to this level - but are there any discussions or proposals for putting a cap on this spending? Sorry if this is an elementary question, just point me to a wiki link or something.

would anyone else agree that Obama's Superbowl ad was one of the most astute and effective expenditures of the campaign?

cost a fortune but in terms of reaching out to the voters he was after he couldn't have done any better.

'Police concerned about order to stop screening'

http://www.star-telegram.com/667/story/486413.html

... and there's going to be yet another debate! can you imagine these two debating FIVE TIMES between Super Tuesday and March 4, as the Clinton camp wanted?

hillary's debate outfit bothered me. the white piping on the edge of her collar looked like two little antennae sprouting from her collarbones at times.

can you imagine these two debating FIVE TIMES between Super Tuesday and March 4, as the Clinton camp wanted?

I did end up watching most of the debate, and while I found it pretty interesting I just can't see what five more debates would accomplish.

only heard the soundbites as usual -- isn't the irreconcilable opposition of "change you can Xerox" and "I'm honored to be here w/ Barck Obama" proof enough what an inept fraud Rodham is? Piss on her.

"I am honored to be here tonight with that thieving word-thief Barack Obama" does present some cognitive dissonance

also I don't know what this Wolfson guy looks like, but I would like to borrow Woody Allen's Giant Sock O' Manure from Annie Hall and use it on him.

I wonder if McCain watches these debates too, lolling at these whippersnappers boasting about their experience

what's your deal with waste products, morbs?

they turn him on

The failure to check people for weapons at Obama's speech is ri-G-damn-diculous. I have great trouble believing it was a completely innocent mistake (maybe it was, but it seems (a) bizzare and (b) too coincidental to me).

in addition to buying loads of snow shovels to clear the walks for caucusgoers. Mrs. Clinton came in third in the Jan. 3 caucus. It did not snow

That's kind of a dumb criticism. You buy snow shovels in case it might snow. When you make the expenditure you realize it may not snow, but if it does, you'll be ready. The cost of buying the shovels is considered worth it, in view of the possibility. Kind of the same reason people buy insurance. I can imagine the Times writing a zinger about that: "Mr. Smith bought travel insurance for his trip to Hawaii. He made the trip safely and without incident."

daniel, in order for the secret service's lightening screening at a rally to be a 'coincindence,' it has to, you know, coincide with something. i think obama should have the benefit of weapons screening at his events, for sure, but i don't think it's a significant portent that they lightened security at one event.

That's kind of a dumb criticism. You buy snow shovels in case it might snow.

sure. i just thought it was was phrased in a funny way. didn't really think it was a good substantive criticism of the clinton campaign (there are far better criticisms that can be made).