Inception (with implanted spoilers)

"Perhaps ‘Inception’ is a movie for people who just like movies that make up their own arcane rules, that have nothing to do with anything outside the movie itself, but give the fleeting illusion of creating an (incoherent) self-contained world. It’s for people who think the reductive Director’s Cut of ‘Donnie Darko’—the one that removes all the mystery and resonance and wit—to the original.”
- Jim Emerson

heh heh, motherfuckers :)

super cool lil movie

Thats like every movie ever.

I think maybe people who don't like this movie don't like a lot of explanation via dialogue. I rewatched it this weekend and that was the hypothesis I came up with. Caveat: One of my sanity rules is don't get in in depth discussions about movies on ILX so I'm not saying anything more.

I would also like to note that I would fuck the shit out of Cillian Murphy in this.

That is a very wise note.

Has Lex seen the film Mysterious Skin, in which JGL plays a rentboy?

I think maybe people who don't like this movie don't like a lot of explanation via dialogue. I rewatched it this weekend and that was the hypothesis I came up with. Caveat: One of my sanity rules is don't get in in depth discussions about movies on ILX so I'm not saying anything more.

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, December 20, 2010 11:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah, i was thinking about that a while back - the exposition is VERY handholdy, and i think that quality will make it something that isn't as thrilling upon second viewing - the exposition in this is very fun and well done and involves you in the world and its rules, but everything's really spelled out in triplicate and you don't want a second helping of it. idk i havent seen it again so thats just a theory.

also, I've noticed that many ILXors have Haptephobia which might explain the extreme disgust of handholdyness in the movie

If you're going to do a cool movie about going into other people's dreams and stuff, why are all the dreams set in hotel lobbys, car parks and leafy city boulevards? I didn't catch the very end (saw up until the yawnsome Bond-esque skiing on the mountain sequence) because g/f fell asleep and I figured we'd pick it up again at some point (have not done this yet, obv), but does this film get any more imaginative towards the end? Or is the only cool bit when the girl is flipping parts of the city around?

If not then this movie is waste.

this movie is waste.

Most people's dreams are actually pretty prosaic ime. While situations might be weird or odd, settings rarely are, because your brain conjures them from experience.

so i guess we should congratulate nolan's verité in producing a thoroughly banal movie.

Also the whole point, as explained in the hand-holdy exposition that you seemed to miss, is that if you design the dream to be too weird, people arte aware it's a dream. The whole point is to make people NOT NOTICE.

Christ, you're a fucking idiot.

xposts.

but why have that little caveat? so you can make a really dull action movie?

my dreams tend to be a bit more Gondry-esque in setting. I never dream about skiing or gun fights or whatever.

(i see we've just had this discussion upthread, so will shut up before the anti-twee brigade get me).

aimless still otm upthread

http://www.utm.edu/research/iep-wp/wp-content/media//zhuangzi.gif

Well I fucking hate Gondry so there.

well i fucking hate Gondry so there

this isn't about liking him or not, nick.

"Whatever you do, don't dream about somewhere you've been before. And don't dream about anything too crazy either. In fact you're best off just dreaming about the most boring places you can possibly imagine." - how is this a premise for an entertaining film?

Most people's dreams are actually pretty prosaic ime. While situations might be weird or odd, settings rarely are, because your brain conjures them from experience.

― Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:50 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I have reoccurring dreams about fantastic natural landscapes that i have never been to. Places so otherworldly beautiful i wake up teary eyed. Then again i sort of believe when you dream its a sort of pseudo-conscious astral projection.

I dream about old houses with hundreds of chambers and anterooms that are only accessible via tiny hidden wooden passageways. Haven't been to these AFAIK.

I've dreamt of rubies.

"Whatever you do, don't dream about somewhere you've been before. And don't dream about anything too crazy either. In fact you're best off just dreaming about the most boring places you can possibly imagine." - how is this a premise for an entertaining film?

maybe it's a metaphor for the hollywood pitching process?

It’s for people who think the reductive Director’s Cut of ‘Donnie Darko’—the one that removes all the mystery and resonance and wit—to the original.”

so basically people who can't form coherent sentences hate "Inception"

are the same arguments really being rehashed out again on this thread, or is this part of the 'inception'

It's sort of funny that the people hated this movie for its lack of imagination are repeating the exact same things.

I feel like I've dreamt this whole thread before.

I thought for some reason that ILX would twig to the fact that Inception isn't so much about dreams as it is about the experience of watching a movie.

experience of watching a mediocre movie

I will admit, that as far as movies about tempermental dreamweavers haunted by muses and played by guys from Gangs Of New York go, it sure beats Nine.

I think if you put Fergie's musical number from "Nine" into the middle of "Inception" with no preamble or explanation and then continued on from there as if it hadn't happened, you would have a movie that would have satisfied the haters.

the haters != josh duhamel

"Perhaps ‘Inception’ is a movie for people who just like movies that make up their own arcane rules, that have nothing to do with anything outside the movie itself, but give the fleeting illusion of creating an (incoherent) self-contained world. It’s for people who think the reductive Director’s Cut of ‘Donnie Darko’—the one that removes all the mystery and resonance and wit—to the original.”
- Jim Emerson

heh heh, motherfuckers :)

― ok (Tape Store), Monday, December 20, 2010 6:49 PM

weird argument.

xp: yeah but apparently what ppl wanted was "more random dancing walruses" so

walruses

maybe Tom Hardy could have done Kate Hudson's "Guido" number

it's no vanilla sky

If you're going to do a cool movie about going into other people's dreams and stuff, why are all the dreams set in hotel lobbys, car parks and leafy city boulevards?

I'm sure this has been asked and answered at least 10 times already but I would like to point out that I have never had a dream where I am flying around in a purple/pink space with suspended stripes of water, flying eyeballs and the 600 foot woman; but I have had a lot of dreams where I am at a school and other boring ass places (even though my dreams are rarely boring)

you know, I was kind of young at the time so parts of it appealed to me, but in retrospect I can say that I really am pissed off by vanilla sky

it really helps going in to vanilla sky expecting it to be kind of crappy before realizing it is kind of crappy

maybe I'll finally be able to watch all of Eternal Sunshine of Long Names are Shitty because I know I hate every part of the movie up to when I stopped watching it

serious question for serious people, has anyone seen Abre los Ojos and is it >>>>>> Vanilla Sky?

although, y'know, a movie with tom cruise in a phantom of the opera mask running round a giant deserted office lobby yelling "TECH SUPPORT!!!", it can't be all bad.

From what I've heard and the bits I've seen Abre los Ojos is pretty close story-wise to Vanilla Sky (and Penelope Cruz is in both!)

Yeah, one is basically a slightly-more fleshed-out take on the other, only with Cameron Crowe's musical sensibilities blaring over the plot and Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise.

i was otm in this thread

I remember liking Abre los Ojos a lot but I saw it pre-Vanilla Sky.

Tape Store offtm in this thread

i was otm in this thread

― caek, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 01:01 (1 hour ago)

he really was, you know