The only Capra I can think of that she liked was The Bitter Tea of General Yen--were there others? I know she recoiled from the big populist ones. She had that great line on Wonderful Life (paraphrase): "No one has Capra's gift for sentimentality--and you find anybody who does, kill him."
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:19 (fifteen years ago)
I had the general thrust of the line right, but the wrong film--it was Mr. Smith.
"No one else can balance the ups and downs of wistful sentiment and corny humour the way Capra does--but if anyone else should learn to, kill him."
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)
The fate of the world depends upon clarifying this...Kael seemed to like Capra right up to and including Mr. Deeds (especially It Happened One Night); after that, not much at all. Don't know about You Can't Take It with You, though--no entry in 5001 Nights.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)
More Top Fives!
Hitch
1. Rear Window2. Rebecca3. Rope4. Frenzy5. Under Capricorn
Ray
1. Johnny Guitar2. The Lusty Men3. On Dangerous Ground4. Rebel With A Cause5. The Savage Innocents
Sirk
1. Imitation of Life2. All That Heaven Allows3. There's Always Tomorrow4. Magnificent Obsession5. Written on the Wind
Capra1. The Bitter Tea of General Yenand um maybe...2. Dirigible?Just don't get him.
Walsh I don't quite get either. Many of his films left little impression on me so his oeuvre is no longer a priority. But I dug:A Distant TrumpetPursuedMe and My Gal and I have a soft spot for the classic turkey The Horn Blows at Midnight
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:40 (fifteen years ago)
I don't even consider Walsh that important. He made a couple of good films.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)
3. Rope4. Frenzy5. Under Capricorn
Wow.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:43 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i saw U/C under the best conditions, and it's a bust
couple nice camera moves
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago)
Poor Raoul Walsh. It's been ages since I saw They Drive By Night, but I remember it as being really good.'
Can't wait to see this director's cut of Rebel with a Cause!
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)
frenzy is the weird R-rated british one with titties right
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)
i feel like white heat is better than anything preminger or sirk ever did but w/e
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:47 (fifteen years ago)
not that ive seen everything preminger or sirk ever did!
Kev, thou iconoclast, dissing In a Lonely Place.
I remember The Horn Blows at Midnight being kinda funny! At least if you love Benny.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
God--how could I forget White Heat? I think I'd take that over even my favorite Hitchcock or Hawks film, and way before anything by Ray, Sirk, or Preminger.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)
xpost Yeah I've talked about In a Lonely Place somewhere here before - saw it early in cinephilia and loved it, saw it later and couldn't access what I first saw in it. Maybe in another ten years, it'll hit me again.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:51 (fifteen years ago)
Fwiw as much as I love me some auteurism, I've bumped heads with other, perhaps more hardline auteurists for pumping, say, Joan Crawford as an auteurist or for questioning the director as the ultimate/only source for what winds up on screen/in speakers. There's been tons of terrific work taking other personnel as auteurs, e.g., Christina Lane, "Stepping Out From Behind The Grand Silhouette: Joan Harrison's Films of the 1940s" in Authorship and Film, eds. David Gerstner and Janet Staiger (in fact, that entire collection is good for poking holes in the auteur theory). It's not the ONLY lens through which I view the entirety of cinema.
Also, the auteur theory shares a great deal with genre theory so I don't see what the big deal is apart from the fact that genre theory makes some people cranky as well. You approach the oeuvres Ford or Hawks or whoever as if they were genres, figuring out how the oeuvre/genre works (just like those Ford and Hawks communities!), looking for themes and variations, discovering ways to complicate the categories, etc. And genre theory means you get to watch even more movies!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:59 (fifteen years ago)
The Roaring Twenties > White Heat
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
I'm much more inclined to think of "Joan Crawford pictures" than I am arguing whether Curtiz or Walsh are directors who deserve credit for their movies' successes.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
haha Joan Crawford as an auteur, that should be
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)
Joan wrote a very systematic analysis of William K Howard films for Modern Screen
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
I like White Heat, but might actually prefer High Sierra.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:28 (fifteen years ago)
Actual lolz. Had to look up William K Howard too. Ahead of her time, that Joan.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)
For the record, Joan thought Johnny Guitar was one of the worst movies she ever did.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:40 (fifteen years ago)
She did indeed, most likely because she hated Mercedes McCambridge who received spontaneous on set applause after one of her scenes which sent Crawford into a clothes-ripping rage.
Crawford also hated Rain because it was her first big flop. But it's her greatest performance.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:46 (fifteen years ago)
You know who hates <i?Johnny Guitar[/i]? Bogdanovich. When he spoke in Toronto recently, he ridiculed it no fewer than three times in an hour. I like the film, but his digs were actually quite funny.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:51 (fifteen years ago)
I don't care for the film either, and I've watched it four times.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 19:41 (fifteen years ago)
Just found out about this:
http://www.amazon.com/Pauline-Kael-Life-Brian-Kellow/dp/0670023124/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309555150&sr=1-4
It comes out Oct. 27.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 July 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
Struggling to see how it could be as entertaining as Sontag & Kael.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Friday, 1 July 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)
Also just saw LOA is releasing a Kael collection, and I guess I don't know how it could be that diff from For Keeps.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Friday, 1 July 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)
I liked Sontag & Kael a lot, but if the writer's good, I think this'll be great. It'll fill in lots that I don't know about her life pre-"Circles and Squares" (I know next to nothing), and, I would hope, would dive right into all the Kael/Sarris/Simon/Macdonald sniping through the '60s. I'm counting the days.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 July 2011 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
would prefer if Brian Fellows wrote a book on Kael
― how many sb'ings do you have? (buzza), Friday, 1 July 2011 21:29 (fourteen years ago)
Dwight Garner's too brief reevaluation of Hooked, my second favorite Kael collection.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 July 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
From the piece above: "wondering what she’d say if she were alive to weigh in on, say, Black Swan or The Social Network. (I suspect she’d have smacked both around, while finding things to enjoy about David Fincher and Aaron Sorkin’s work in the Facebook movie.)"
"What would Kael think?" follows me in and out of every movie theatre. I think the guy's right about The Social Network--my guess is she would have loved Timberlake most of all.
― clemenza, Saturday, 16 July 2011 16:47 (fourteen years ago)
She would've said that Mara Rooney was like the new Roz Russell or something.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 July 2011 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
Todd McCarthy's review of the new bio (some dish about her early life via the book, and TMc's own).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pauline-kael-a-life-dark-243280
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
The Library of American edition is redundant if you already own For Keeps.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
Even to close friends, Pauline revealed little about her early family life. Many did not even know she was Jewish
find this hard to believe!
doesnt sound like there's much new info in that bio
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)
The comment by one "Terry" has made me curious about Penelope Gilliatt's crit; she wrote the Sunday Bloody Sunday screenplay.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:28 (fourteen years ago)
okay well this i want to read more about: ... Penelope Gilliatt, whose drunken excesses are startlingly detailed.
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
I remember reading Gilliatt's reviews just as regularly as Kael's back then, but no idea what I'd think of them now.
Didn't know Pauline chased gay boys as a young woman.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
curious to read more about her pre-NYer career (i've heard a few of her radio broadcasts)
― queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
xpost With a bat?
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
An interview with All About All About Eve wag Sam Stagg from '82:
http://books.google.com/books?id=olNSliMdOHYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=kael+conversations&hl=en&ei=3iCOTsuhO9GztwesxMimDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)
* Staggs
She confronts the homophobe slur.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
i have that book + was reading it on the can last week. she always had a minor blind spot re: this stuff - she was very sensitive about how jews were portrayed in movies, but tended to wave it off a bit whenever blacks or gays found something distasteful
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
the Staggs int'vw is not on GoogleBooks btw
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
It is. Click on "Bisset, Jacqueline" in the index.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
books.google.com/books?id=olNSliMdOHYC&pg=PA91
― zvookster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
I know. I think Kael abused gays no more severely than she did any other group.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Friday, 7 October 2011 02:15 (fourteen years ago)
for which I'm grateful
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 October 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)