why is chess considered more intellectual than checkers

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no, but i know a good one for on-line scrabble. actually, i think they do chess too, but i've not tried it cos i'm not much of a chess player. but give it a go, they have rankings and ratings and stuff. if the scrabble is anything to go by, it should be good. it's http://www.playsite.com

― g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)

and also, why don't people play the dot game, like, outside of middleschool

― ejad, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

If that's the one where you join up dots to form squares then in my case because after the age of seven my mother stopped feeling obliged to let me win every time and started winning by a humiliatingly vast margin each game. Sigh.

― Rebecca (reb), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah I did mean that game. Now that I think about it, the dot game would probably be incredibly easy for a computer to "solve".

― ejad, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

(Is this really a serious question? Because (a) all checkers are alike*, and (b) any given checker can only affect its immediate surroundings**, whereas (c) chess pieces have specialized movements, and (d) many of them can affect large segments of the board.)

* = okay, some are kinged, but all have kinging-potential, so it's just a question of whether they've gotten there or not

** = okay, you can chain your jumps to affect distant portions of the board, but it's more contextual than inherent in the piece movements

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, checkers is sort of like chess if there were only pawns.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, yeah.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 20:55 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm. maybe I should start paying attention in math class.

― ejad, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing with the dot game is that each area of the field of play can be analyzed seperately with relatively basic algorithms -- there's no particular overall strategic aspect to it across the board.

i.e. the possible combinations of lines on a VERY LARGE dot-game would be the same as the possible set of go moves, so its game-tree would be equally large, but it's possible to play the game with simple lookaheads for the next few moves and detection of particular "trap" situations with minimal processor use.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ejad, screw math class & get a unix account that you can do some programming in. It's far more useful.

― lyra (lyra), Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Dominoes is more intellectual than all this shit.

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 3 October 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, what Lyra said.

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 3 October 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

games where you can cheat w/a partner are more intellectual than any other since no computer can win them

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 October 2002 05:06 (twenty-three years ago)

like bridge?

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 3 October 2002 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

like adultery

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 3 October 2002 07:26 (twenty-three years ago)

haha bierce perfected artificial intelligence ages ago

"Moxon underneath, his throat still in the clutch of those iron hands, his head forced backward, his eyes protruding, his mouth wide open and his tongue thrust out, and - horrible contrast! -upon the painted face of his assassin an expression of tranquil and profound thought, as in solution of a problem in chess"

― bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 3 October 2002 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Checkers is more intellectual if you call it draughts.

― Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 3 October 2002 08:43 (twenty-three years ago)

(anyone interested in strategies for that dots-and-boxes game shd check out conway et al's "winning ways (for your mathematical plays)". i think it's in vol 2. this is about as un-geeky as proper maths books get ie it has cartoons in it and stuff like that.)

(nb i'd like to add that it's been a long time since i've read books on dots-and-boxes strategies "for fun". ahem.)

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:40 (twenty-three years ago)

moxon's assassin = his robot btw

anyay can anyone explain to me that matchstick game/riddle in "l'annee derniere a marienbad"?

― bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Charades is nowhere near being solved by computer and is thus the most intellectual game of all.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

There's some sequence yr supposed to keep up, which I forget, and anyway its a fairly simple mnemonic which "solves" the game.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 3 October 2002 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

twenty years pass...

The chess governing body are dumb, for one.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/aug/17/trans-women-banned-from-world-chess-events-while-review-takes-place

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 August 2023 16:36 (two years ago)

Why the fuck is chess even gender segregated in the first place?

― emil.y, Thursday, 17 August 2023 16:42 (two years ago)

The old argument that men are better at the kind of thinking required for chess.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 18 August 2023 03:15 (two years ago)

Math, spatial relationships, blah blah blah.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 18 August 2023 03:17 (two years ago)

it's probably because male chess players get uncomfortable sitting that close to a woman

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 18 August 2023 03:20 (two years ago)

I googled it when I saw that article (TIL that there is such a thing as “women’s chess”, altho women are not barred from competing in any tournament). Seems like male domination of the game is so total, if only in sheer number of players, that the existence of a women’s division is mainly designed to level out the perception of male dominance? or something

So… kind of understandable when seen from that angle, altho a) weird, and b) excluding trans women from women’s competitions is super weird & just makes the chess world seem even more sexist than it already seems. TERFIDE?

― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 18 August 2023 12:44 (two years ago)

verging on Saturday Night Live material

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 August 2023 13:20 (two years ago)

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