Peter Bogdanovich, threshing machine

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2nded, adam. It was boring, talky, and pointless.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
indefensible.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Dude did a really ace Hitchcock impression when he introduced North by Northwest for TCM. So he was a fanboy, big deal-- Blount OTM.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

This is Orson Welles more than makes up for his mediocre films. He's not particularly exciting (and not a great critic) but I'm much happier having him as a bland go-to-"expert" on ye old Hollywood than some asshole Paulette or a hack culture critic.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

Or fucking David Thomson!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the orson welles book is fantastic, tho the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling "everything you believe is balls! BALLS!" at cybill shepherd over breakfast. i think last picture show is a little overrated, it looks beautiful but it's kind of boring to watch. but i love targets and the thing called love (a nearly perfect movie) so he's not all bad by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

He's okay on the Sopranos.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

DS was stabbed, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Targets was amazing and totally fun. I perhaps believe the rumor the Polly Platt was his better half and his career was downhill after they split.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

Any love for Texasville? A friend maintains it's better than TLPS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling
Then I don't suppose it has him starting a fire with a lit cigar in his bathrobe pocket either.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

on tcm's "the essentials" he appears WITHOUT AN ASCOT

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I believe that you are right, amst. But then surely a clever cameraman has to cover for the missing ascot.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

no way is texasville better than the last picture show! that's just someone have fun being contrary. it's underrated, though, in that it was branded one of the biggest-ever turkeys and it really isn't. it's just kind of a sad mess considering its pedigree.

Or fucking David Thomson!

argh! otm. my dislike for him continues to grow.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

him and friedkin are responsible for like 70% of any fun you get from reading e-z riders n ragin bullz

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

PB comes off as a real dick in that book!

actually everyone does, come to think of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/

Blogdanovich!

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:31 (fifteen years ago)

Man will never give up his Ascots, will he.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)

They shall pry them from his cold, dead dewlaps.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)

The guru has started another blog.

redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

I'm seeing him introduce Citizen Kane in a couple of weeks--just for the thrill of hearing him namedrop "Orson" every other sentence.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

i wonder what orson welles' blog would've been called. Roseblog?

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:50 (fifteen years ago)

Enjoyed him on the Dick Cavett show circa 1971 surrounded by Robert Altman, Mel Brooks, and Frank Capra. And yes, he was wearing his snappy Cary Grant garden party leisure wear.

Josefa, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)

I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the original 1972 Elaine May-Neil Simon comedy, THE HEARTBREAK KID (available on DVD), which goes beyond the darkly hilarious film itself, because at the time of its making and release I was living with one of the stars, Cybill Shepherd. This warm feeling only increased with the publication of Cybill’s memoirs (Cybill Disobedience), in which there are numerous revelations—-to me, too—-about her various doings during our nine-year relationship (and, of course, before and after).

This fuckin' guy.

a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:03 (fifteen years ago)

This kills me--Bogdanovich in a nutshell:

"As the Duke was walking me back to my car, he took a shortcut, leading me through the sizeable garage..."

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

I should say that I think The Last Picture Show is a fine film, although I have difficulty connecting it to Bogdanovich (other than as an assemblage of stuff borrowed from his favorite directors...think Stanley Kauffmann said the same thing way back when).

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)

Casting him as a thinly veiled Hugh Hefner on Law and Order was kind of amazing.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 02:46 (fifteen years ago)

That episode made me laugh so much.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:45 (fifteen years ago)

it's weird seeing tokyo rosemary on ILX

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

these days

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

hi, adamrl

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 04:32 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I was down to see him introduce Citizen Kane this afternoon, with a Q & A afterwards. He's very funny at times, and every bit the blowhard I expected from all the interview footage I've seen over the years. He's got a real hate-on for Kael (not surprising), and also for Johnny Guitar (surprising--always thought that was sacrosanct among auteurists). He claims that Kael never gave him a good review after an Esquire piece he wrote in response to "Raising Kane," implying cause-and-effect, which conveniently ignores that a) Kael's review of The Last Picture Show was perfunctorily positive in a manner that almost dismissed it, and b) the later films she dumped on, most every other good critic did likewise. (Putting aside Sarris, a friend of Bogdanovich's.) He says that he expects he will finish editing Welles' The Other Side of the Wind before he checks out for "the big screening room in the sky."

clemenza, Sunday, 31 October 2010 00:13 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

I watched the first half-hour of They All Laughed the other night, and I didn't.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

people hate this guy? how come?

come on this is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQc-wtHAlw

piscesx, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:33 (fourteen years ago)

I just watched Paper Moon and it's really great. The O'Neil's work the scenes so beautifully, she's really charming, he hits that sweet spot between pushy and drippy, and there's so much beauty in the shot selection and cinematography. Beautifully efficient 1st Act too - principle characters introduced, character's established, the impetus keeping them together defined, all in 10 minutes. Sure the ending's a bit corny, but come on, it's a screwball road movie, a bit of tack never hurt anyone.

And I lolled mega-hard at Tatum smoking. Was everyone just cool with that in 1973?

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:24 (fourteen years ago)

eight months pass...

should I go see Saint Jack w/ Gazzara tonight? 2001 DVD seems to be OOP.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 15:21 (thirteen years ago)

^This might v well be one of PB's best 2 or 3 films, he even manages a decent supporting turn. Gazzara's character is def a slightly bouncier cousin to his Chinese Bookie guy (just as desperate and fuct underneath tho). Great DP work on Singapore locations by Robby Muller.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

At Long Last Love to be released as a non-limited edition blu by Twilight Time/Screen Archives in April.

Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:20 (thirteen years ago)

four months pass...

Bogdanovich and the secret afterlife of At Long Last Love

On a somewhat related note, I screened Targets the other night for the first time and liked it. Didn't know beforehand that he himself was a main supporting player, and was amused at how they got an extended Nicholson cameo into the film. Lots of cool circa-'67 LA location photography too.

Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 June 2013 16:54 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

The Dissolve has a bunch of Targets stuff this week, incl Bogdo interview:

http://thedissolve.com/features/movie-of-the-week/99-peter-bogdanovich-on-targets-history-and-unfortuna/

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 August 2013 16:01 (twelve years ago)

Been meaning to mention this (taken from the intro from the linked interview):

As it turned out, it was harder to connect with Bogdanovich than we’d expected, but for the best possible reason: He’s in the middle of shooting a new movie in New York, Squirrels To The Nuts, a comedy produced by Noah Baumbach and Wes Anderson, and starring Owen Wilson, Imogen Poots, Kathryn Hahn, Jennifer Aniston, Will Forte, and many, many more bright comic actors.

A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 August 2013 18:32 (twelve years ago)

wtf

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 August 2013 18:36 (twelve years ago)

Imagine that, getting a veteran dierector to work with Owen W, Aniston and some ppl I can't quite place.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 August 2013 18:42 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...
nine months pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/watch-first-2-clips-from-peter-bogdanovichs-screwball-shes-funny-that-way-20140828

I Don't Wanna Ice Bucket With You (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 August 2014 22:55 (eleven years ago)

either "a hysterical screwball fantasia that openly steals from Lubitsch, Hawks, Capra and Sturges and wants to be caught with its fingers in the till" or "so much like a B-grade Woody Allen picture that you might well assume it is a conscious homage specifically to him".

http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-venice-2014-peter-bogdanovichs-shes-funny-that-way

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:47 (eleven years ago)

The last sentence could have been written in 1973, with Lubitsch, Hawks, Capra, and Sturges replacing Woody.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:55 (eleven years ago)

uh What's Up Doc was all Hawks, Paper Moon rather more integrated

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:56 (eleven years ago)

substitute "or" for "and"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 11:59 (eleven years ago)

nine months pass...

have any of you guys seen They All Laughed? Tarantino and Wes Anderson go crazy for it so make of that what you will.

piscesx, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 09:02 (eleven years ago)

Is there a good threadreader workaround for nonusers for this Twitter thread by the guy who got it on TCM?

i promised Peter in a phone call around Christmas time in 2021, before he passed away heartrendingly and unexpectedly a few weeks later, that i'd help him clear the rights on They All Laughed, (his once Lost Masterpiece) so it could show on cable and streaming, something that pic.twitter.com/00rBBiurN9

— bill teck (@billteck) September 15, 2024

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2024 16:35 (one year ago)

I saw it as a Netflix Red Envelope release in early '19 as I mentioned above, so it was available, however briefly.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 September 2024 16:57 (one year ago)

Would you class it as a Lost Masterpiece?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 16 September 2024 17:04 (one year ago)

FWIW, it gets screened in 35mm around NYC once in a while - I caught one at BAM a long time ago and Bogdanovich did the Q&A. If you love Bogdanovich, you should absolutely see it, it's almost a nakedly personal film to the point where the Q&A kind of felt like TMI. (IIRC, he kept saying soberly how he was "in love" with like every woman in the cast - not in a frivolous or joking way, it was a little cringey for me.)

It's interesting, and I think it has its merits, but I can't agree with its boosters that it's a great film, much less his masterpiece. Targets and The Last Picture Show paired with Texasville are still my favorite works from Bogdanovich.

birdistheword, Monday, 16 September 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

It's a goofy film, often not in a good way.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 September 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

I saw it as a Netflix Red Envelope release in early '19 as I mentioned above, so it was available, however briefly.

Warner Bros. put it out on DVD with a commentary and a conversation featurette featuring PB & Wes Anderson back in the mid-'00s. Copies are still findable. I too rented it from Netflix maybe 10 years ago and had an ordeal just trying to watch the DVD: The first copy was scratched to shit and started skipping a couple minutes into the picture; the second arrived cracked; and finally the third one played ok.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2024 19:37 (one year ago)

I'm not liking this era where "Lost Film"=Not Available On Blu/Streaming.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2024 19:42 (one year ago)

Yeah

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 September 2024 19:43 (one year ago)

It's on MAX.

ernestp, Monday, 16 September 2024 20:54 (one year ago)

Reminds me that it was pretty the only thing on HBO during some visit home so I watched it over and over until I got into.

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 06:13 (one year ago)

Probably posted the same upthread already

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 06:13 (one year ago)

https://www.indiewire.com/features/interviews/peter-bogdanovich-they-all-laughed-streaming-1235049834/

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 15:13 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

The color version of Nickelodeon is back up on Prime.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 October 2024 00:14 (one year ago)

six months pass...

how have people endured Paper Moon for half a century

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 May 2025 19:09 (one year ago)

mostly by ignoring it I think

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 9 May 2025 19:16 (one year ago)

Elaborate plz, Mr. Soto.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 May 2025 19:35 (one year ago)

I tried once 20 years ago, turned it off. I tried this afternoon, turned it off.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 May 2025 20:40 (one year ago)

Oh come on, Tatum O'Neal's performance alone!

Saw it on the big screen recently with a buncha zoomers dressed to the nines in 70's garb, unexpected but delightful.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 9 May 2025 21:38 (one year ago)

Shouldn't they have worn 30s garb?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 May 2025 21:40 (one year ago)

Wouldn't go as far as switching it off but I didn't really get it

xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 May 2025 21:41 (one year ago)

Shouldn't they have worn 30s garb?

Who am I to tell the youth what to do?

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 9 May 2025 21:43 (one year ago)

The main thing to get is this uncomfortable truth: while children smoking is a bad thing in real life, on the silver screen it looks even cooler than adults doing it.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 9 May 2025 21:44 (one year ago)

I've been meaning to rewatch it. I saw it maybe seven or eight years ago in a packed Sunday morning screening with a lot of kids, and I remember it playing like gangbusters.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 9 May 2025 22:01 (one year ago)

psichiatra di psichiatri

calstars, Friday, 9 May 2025 22:05 (one year ago)

Tatum is a large part of the problem. I'm recoiling from the film's effort to make me adore her cunning.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 May 2025 22:07 (one year ago)

three months pass...

saw the one-day rerelease of Paper Moon today. I’d tried once on TV and made it five minutes: the big screen and a (small, polite, multiplex matinee) audience made it click. It’s best when being a comedy, and could easily trim to a sub-90-minute sharper, sillier version. But the languorous scenes often feel like the point of writer Bogdanovich’s interest (let’s feel like an older style of storytelling, even if that was a minority at the actual time), and provides a showcase for probably-other-writer Platt’s production design.

I’ve never been convinced by O’Neal père in my brief, glancing encounters. But the mix of contrasts and comparisons between him and Tatum in this make his character rich and believable despite his limitations as an actor, and give her an authenticity roughed up by her precociousness. And her scenes with PJ Johnson as Imogene show that Tatum’s distinctiveness isn’t just nepo enthusiasm or an existing rapport with her father — they very convincingly have a relationship of equals (plus/despite the age difference) on a range of levels distinct from the adults’ all-lies-to-each-other mode

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:10 (nine months ago)

four months pass...

Heh, Paul Nelson liked They All Laughed so much that he owned three VHS copies of it.

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 January 2026 21:19 (four months ago)

Also I recently finally saw Paper Moon and What's Up, Doc? properly on a big screen at MoMI and enjoyed them both.

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 January 2026 21:21 (four months ago)

two months pass...

Nickelodeon BluRay: https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=38069

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 March 2026 17:19 (two months ago)


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