Banksy C/D

this was entertaining. i remember seeing an episode of Carson Daly's late night show a year or two back where he's cluein' bros in on hot new shit around town and it was about MBW.

it did seem to take rather for granted that there was a huge gulf between his shit and their shit, which is questionable

― zvookster, Friday, December 17, 2010 1:31 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

otm, but i think the film allows you to think this -- the film isn't formally authored by banksy and the joke could be partly on him and his narcissism-of-small-diffs air of superiority over MBW.

the huge gulf between quality of respective works is one thing what made people wonder re authenticity

mbw's work is cryingly awful, even in comparison

true

lot of the big street art shit is pretty corny (no Banksy fan), but the MBW stuff is so next-level. like a Target co-opt.

This doc is great, on so many levels. Assuming it's all legit - and given the parties involved, that's a big assumption - the joke's either on:

1) Fairey and Banksy, for arrogantly allowing MBW all those ride-alongs, and then being backed into the position of either accepting him as an equal (despite superficial differences) or dismissing him as an imitation (and thus devaluing their own work)

2) The fools lining up for MBW's faux street art

3) Everyone assuming the movie isn't just an elaborate Banksy meta-prank, which is not out of the realm of possibility (it is branded "A Banksy Film," after all)

4) Anyone who has ever assigned an arbitrary value to a work of art, ever.

think it might be 2-4 tbh

i dunno i'm not remembering it perfectly but i really thought there was an obvious "oh snap" moment when it seemed clear-ish that something puckish was going on

mbw's work is cryingly awful, even in comparison

― ice cr?m, Friday, December 17, 2010 5:04 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

I would love an Elvis w Fischer Price Machine Gun poster! Plus some of those sculptures he did with random Star Wars references were pretty funny. I mean, it's not SMASH CAPITALISM or OBEY BIG BROTHER but it has its own appeal.

i think josh's #1 is correct, but i think that that is intentional, that banksy WANTS you to think the joke's on him

i think the film allows you to think this

i agree with this yeah, that's one of the questions it's presenting u with

I would love an Elvis w Fischer Price Machine Gun poster! Plus some of those sculptures he did with random Star Wars references were pretty funny. I mean, it's not SMASH CAPITALISM or OBEY BIG BROTHER but it has its own appeal.

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, December 17, 2010 6:58 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^very important post

"that banksy WANTS you to think the joke's on him"

Or at least allow that it might be a possibility. I loved this movie btw.

i watched this twice in a row last night. the second time shepard and banksy's comments did seem kind of canned which made me suspect something, but i'm still not sure.

4) Anyone who has ever assigned an arbitrary value to a work of art, ever.

that scene where MBW is like, "18 thousand....24 thousand" is pretty funny.

I'm not sure what is real and what isn't. A lot of the archival footage seemed pretty real, MBW looks younger, all the artists look younger, it certainly seems likely that this stuff was filmed over a course of years. If Banksy set MBW up at the end, I say, that's pretty good.

"i brainwash.......you face."

i love how bansky stans and banksy haters all ride for this movie

why becuase its intresting

what a promotional tool for a fucking tool this is. destroy.

Sicinski:

http://academichack.net/reviewsMay2010.htm#Exit

he is SUCH a douche, could not get through first par

it's really not good enough to say 'i have studied art history therefore i'm right'

that's not what he said, but I can see how a douche could think so

that's exactly what he said, though i can see that getting through this long patch of heavy-handed sarcasm would be a chore:

It seems that my academic background in art history and visual culture has resulted in my inability to "properly" enjoy certain art-centered documentaries aimed at more mainstream audiences, my specialized knowledge placing my reactions outside the mainstream of both popular and critical reception. I, being the naive nerdboy that I am, truly believed down to the very bottom of my pocket protector that my unique perspective on pictures like My Kid Could Paint That or Sketches of Frank Gehry might prove valuable, rather than nitpicky and uselessly outlying. But we scholarly types are famous for living in a haze of blinkered privilege, oblivious to just how feckless we really are to those around us. Sadly, though, if there's anything that characterizes academics even more than total irrelevance in the Real World of hot-dog and popcorn consumption, it's our tragic inability to change. You don't just spend 10+ years shinnying up an ivory tower, forgetting how to think like a regular feller, and then go back to breezy watercooler chat as the need presents itself. That'd be like trying to forget how to tie your shoes. Except, having your shoes tied is very helpful, so it's kind of the other way around. So anyway, you have been warned. This review finds fault with the Banksy film on the basis of my own specialized knowledge of the visual arts. We're both just going to have to deal with it.

well, you can deal with it, i'm audi-five.

mebbe u shd address what he actually said abt the topic, but hey it's enrique

Make no mistake: this is not just a quibble, or asking Exit to be a different film that it is.
uhm yes it is

second para is "the filmmaker doesn't come off as a cool person ergo this is not a good film", third is "i want a different film"

the 'film' is such fucking fucking shit. who CARES if it's a hoax?

If Guetta really is a bad artist, don't his friends have some responsibility to, I dunno, offer him critique, or tell him he's not ready to do this huge show, or intervene in some way?

yeah coz telling artists/FILM BLOGGERS AHAHA DO YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING? they suck always makes them stop

it's kind of sweet, actually, that he's disappointed in Banksy, that this is not an examination of the history of street art.

as for this moral 'responsibility' -- this is just typical academic hack po-facedness; there isn't a moral case against bad art and stupid art consumers

MBW is happy and hecka paid, and i guess so are his stupid patrons

do u only use film in regard to celluloid or what the fuck morbz

gonna have to see this now as my sis gave me teh banksy book for xmas, it's p strangle-worthy but i had a good lol at some bits.

Only a complete killjoy like Morbs wouldn't have found this movie at least a little amusing. MBW at the very least struck me as a completely charming character.

I'd rather watch a movie about him than the dry as fuck definitive street art doc that academic hack seems to think Banksy should have made. I guess that's cuz I didn't go to fine art school for a decade and a half though.

I did cringe when Rhys Ifans described street art as "the most important underground movement since punk," but there really wasn't a whole lot of that kind of thing.

I wanted to take two bricks and bring them together very rapidly around Thierry Dingbat's head.

A film that meant to be entertaining would have, say, provided a clear shot of the Disneyland "piece." (was it Mickey Mouse in a Guantanamo jumpsuit? too far away and facing 3/4 downstage)

To each their own, I guess. I found him an extremely engaging subject.

But you're right failing to give a clear shot of that "piece" totally undermined the entire entertainment value of the film. Once they looked back at that footage and realized its wants they should have just packed the whole thing in.

any reason would have been a good one.

If the film is legit, why isn't Brainwash suing? it calls him a retard.

You should totally ask him that question.

Also the film is clearly "legit". The only question is if Thierry is in on the joke. If he is, he's possible the greatest actor this side of Marlon Brando (</CATFISH>) and if he's not, well he's even more clueless than the film makes it out to be.

I'm not entirely clear what grounds he'd have to sue anyway.

he would have had to have signed a release etc, he can't sue: this is all crocodile-tears stuff

i never used to feel this way but i'm now pretty certain that i will love virtually anything morbs hates

Well not the Phillies.

true, true

howbout Bono?

Everyone hates Bono.

see all we have to do is find common ground.

someone calling you a retard is not grounds for a lawsuit when you are a public figure.

but that doesn't stop people from initiating em. (esp if they are as dumb as this guy appears to be if he's not acting)

and really, his "art" is not THAT much worse than some of the shit in that big Banksy show in the first half of the film. Just less clever.

"and really, his "art" is not THAT much worse than some of the shit in that big Banksy show in the first half of the film. Just less clever."

Wow ya think? Might that not be part of the joke? Nah.

^^^ exactly