i think wire morality is more complex than that of D&D
― once more Jagger faps the hivemind (symsymsym), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Avon definitely follows a code -- much more so than Stringer
― sarahel, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:32 (thirteen years ago) link
second season: Daniels tells Rawls he'll take on the case of 14 dead bodies in a ship container provided "you give me what I need with no arguments and no bulllshit"
*would have loved to say this to one of my old employers
― hubertus bigend (m coleman), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
love that chart
― I spilled, saucer-eyed, into the Tonetta fanclub underground. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
ok I feel less bad about not getting it now
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/c8/c845ebf7cff92c726789d411608fdb96.jpg
― omar little, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the choice seems counter-intuitive to me but on reflection it really works - Avon has a moral code (however much we disagree with it) whereas Stringer has an amoral respect for the system.
The best example of this to me was Stringer authorising the hit on Omar on a Sunday.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I want to argue that String isn't amoral -- definitely NOT immoral -- because he abides by capitalism and Mr. Morals himself Adam Smith, and that he didn't actively violate the Sunday truce so much as waved off Shamrock (or whichever lackey was bugging him) because he had better things to do... which yeah, speaks to his amoral nature.
― penis with a man hanging from it (Leee), Thursday, 16 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link
what about what avon and brianna did to d'angelo?
― j., Thursday, 16 December 2010 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
It was Stringer's decision to ultimately "take care" of D'Angelo. Wasn't it Stringer's decision to the same for Wallace even if Avon signed off on that one.
― shaking my hamster (KMS), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
SPOILERS btw! ^
i think j is referring to getting D to take those years but i could be wrong
― k3vin k., Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Taking the years is part of the accepted moral code though. Bumping off in prison, less so.
Stringer's respect for capitalism is based on what he believes it can do for him (which is hardly unusual tbf).
― Tim F, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I might consider putting Bunny or Lester at chaotic good and McNulty at chaotic neutral.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it is to this show's great credit that no one questions clay davis as neutral evil
― straight old fashioned, virgin (another al3x), Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
miss u string ;_;
― horseshoe, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
First, Stringer's adherence to market forces is no less a moral code than the rules that Avon (and Omar) play by. Second, people getting murdered in prison is a taboo? Really?
― penis with a man hanging from it (Leee), Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
killing your best friend's nephews taboo in any culture.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 16 December 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
without the friend's permission, most def.
― sarahel, Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yah killing him even tho he was abiding by the code was def breakin the code
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus christ james ransone is terrible on this show
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 15 January 2011 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link
SB! SB! Dude, Ziggy is the SHIT
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 07:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm almost done w/ the second season & this is getting pretty great, def better than season 1, but anyone that thinks this is better than the sopranos can lick big pussy's nuts
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i was being a bit fatalistic about ziggy -- there are some times when he's great, but too many times where i was just like "jesus this is horrible acting" -- funny tho because i paused the episode i was watching to make that first post & then like 10 mins later he killed double g & broke down in his car in what was prob the best acting he's done in the show -- oh well
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:04 (thirteen years ago) link
in general some of the writing & acting in this show is http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif-- too many julliard trained actors saying "true dat"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
but anyway, it's a great show
Love Season 2. My favorite story arc of the series, I think. Frank Szobotka is such a great character. And the frikkin Police chief (can't remember his name, Ferengi dude fhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftkrHJkw1qf8yek.gif Space Nine...Prentiss's father in law,,,awesome. love that guy.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link
From. Deep Space Nine.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:14 (thirteen years ago) link
major valchek?
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
YES. Him. I love him. (Lol at me being too lazy to Google)
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:18 (thirteen years ago) link
on my first run through i was never totally sold on this show until season 4.
i've gone through it twice now though and this is miles beyond the fucking Sopranos. seriously, hate to be the JUST KEEP WATCHING sorta dude, but it all amounts to a lot.
― circa1916, Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it Season 4 with the school system? That's almost equal favorite.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 08:44 (thirteen years ago) link
too many julliard trained actors saying "true dat"
Uh....
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2011 09:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ j0rd being all "this isnt authentic enough"
― dayo, Saturday, 15 January 2011 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ziggy is not supposed to be likeable, I wouldn't call his acting overacting though. you're supposed to hate his guts. I actually admire how much of an asshole he comes off as.
― dayo, Saturday, 15 January 2011 11:10 (thirteen years ago) link
ziggy definitely worst character on the show, between him and mouzone
show doesn't really hit its stride until seasons 3 & 4 though, revisit that sopranos statement after that
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, 15 January 2011 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
4 is the best for sure.
i groaned a lot at ziggy on first watch, but his relationship with frank hit me harder when i watched it again. the jail visit scene - ziggy says frank was never around, frank says he had to work all the time for the money - no one is right or wrong and it's all shit... what this show is great at imo
― another al3x, Saturday, 15 January 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
You cannot lose if you do not play: http://www.lancereddick.com/
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 15 January 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Why would anyone hate Ziggy's guts?!
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Ransome is totes awesome in Generation Kill btw
lol lance ffs man
― another al3x, Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
james ransone is amazing as ziggy! i don't think i appreciated his performance the first time i watched the season, though; ziggy is so irritating to watch.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I could never hate the son of Frank Sobotka.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the avon/stringer stuff in 3 makes it my favorite. i wish calling tv shows shakespearian wasn't a cliche.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Its sorta the nature of Ziggy at the beginning to even irritate the audience: the less you sympathize with him to begin with, the more affecting his particular story arc becomes. But w/e, I fucking love him str8 up.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Ziggy reminds me of Johnny Boy (Robt DeNiro) in Mean Streets
― hubertus bigend (m coleman), Saturday, 15 January 2011 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 15 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
robot deniro is like a futurama joke
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 15 January 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like season 1 is so underrated & 4 didn't really affect me the way it seemed to hit everyone else in the heart. 3 is prob my fave.
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 15 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
2-1-3-4-5
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
you're leaving your midfield pretty open there
― Gukbe, Saturday, 15 January 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link