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answering with a question is poor form

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you see the Manics at Isle of White on the telly? Try telling me these fat, washed up bearded fannies would not improve vastly if Wire donned a big banana suit.

P.S. I'd be a fair and respectable moderator.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the obvious answer to all this is 'why not make me a moderator?'

-- C-Man

Okay I have to admit that this is really funny.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Once upon a time they all used to hate on me. Now an upstart from my hometown has taken my place. Sob.)

at the end of the movie it's gonna turn out Momus is Calum's dad and Momus has known it all along but Calum didn't because his mom is Trevor Brown's wife* and she & the M agreed to never again speak of that blissful, heated exchange at the Queensferry Museum on that fateful afternoon all those years ago

*yes I know there are problems with this but just let me run with it k thx bye

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't got a telly, and the new IoW festival looked like teh sukc anyway!! The manics? WHO THE FUCK EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE ANYWAY????

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally does.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO THE FUCK EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE ANYWAY????

Calum does! He thinks of them every day! If it weren't for Calum nobody would write anything about them at all

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally does.

Suddenly all humble and quiet and nice. I wonder why? I wonder who will fall for it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I do this thread once a year, and then I'm blissfully free to get on with my life. I suppose some people live here and are fighting the same battle every day, and I do understand how that must be wearing and draining. In other ways, though, it might be weirdly thrilling, like a soap opera full of sturm und drang, with a familiar villain (Dirty Den, wasn't it?). In some ways the Troll and the Moderator might have a vested interest in skirmishing forever, just to give each other a reason to live. A real fight would be quickly over, but a soap opera skirmish, well, you string that out for years, don't you, and the ratings soar, don't they?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

hence my next twelve thematically linked albums

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want C-man around as a constant needle so I can exercise mod power, Momus. If you believe that I do, you are extremely mistaken, and I am very disappointed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned you're worrying me. I'm picturing you sitting behind the monitor shaking and rubbing your hands together ala that old chap in "A Clockwork Orange" or some paranoid mad scientist.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Suddenly all humble and quiet and nice. I wonder why? I wonder who will fall for it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

man talking about Calum is so much more interesting than actually talking with Calum

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Though I think (at least in the context of ILX) they are both kinda meh.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

To believe that people didn't have a vested interest in the skirmish, I'd have to see them choosing to de-escalate rather than escalate. Asymmetrical tactics are all about trying to force one's opponent's hand and make him act (and I pick my word with care) immoderately, with undue force.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you think people are obsessed with you calum? don't you want them to be?

will these remain unanswered?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

for Calum:

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum in his Ned-provoking aspect is like a vandal who throws a rock through the same window at least once every day: after a couple of years, the homeowner takes a real vested interest in breaking the fucker's arms so he can't throw any more rocks, only in our analogy the vandal then says: "Oor! Why is this guy obsessed with me?" meanwhile Calum's the one who, about once a month, whines that Ned wouldn't meet him for a drink

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

J0hn OTM except for the bit about Calum only whining once a month about Ned meeting him for a drink.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

also Momus you see vested interests lurking around every corner in the halls of discourse and you know it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just trying to structure Moderators and Trolls into a mutually-defining, mutually needy binary. Like Kafka's 'Jackals and Arabs', or Aeneas' 'Greeks and Trojans'.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hrm, looking through that other thread about Calum, listing a bunch of his threads, I guess it's starting to make more sense. I'll admit I've been able to almost totally ignore his threads so I've missed just how much of a persistent offense he can be to someone who needs to take care of the whole board. From an objective point of view, it still seems that not every thread should be locked but it's not quite as crystal clear. I guess I can understand the tendency to just give up and react or want to do anything to shut him down.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - or Momus's "Americans are Republicans and Vice's staff isn't"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Taking of the Avril Thread 1-2-3"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

stence I have explained this to you before, Vice's staff isn't Republican because Momus likes them

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

yes J0hn but we're talking about Momus's imaginary binaries here.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't NEED Calum, Momus. Is that so hard to understand?

Sundar -- thank you. I'm not expecting everyone to have a complete knowledge of all the kinds of threads he starts or posts he makes but if you combine that with what I still think is my accurate take on his personality, then I'd like to think it's a bit clearer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, let's fight the Vice wars again! The Trojan / Troll Wars be damned!

I'm now almost a Vice staffer, I'll be helping them set up a Tokyo office over the summer! We're trying to turn Japanese kids on to Pat Buchanan, it's great!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

From an objective point of view, it still seems that not every thread should be locked but it's not quite as crystal clear. I guess I can understand the tendency to just give up and react or want to do anything to shut him down.

Indeed. Upthread I said that locking all Calum threads isn't fair and isn't productive, and I do think that, but when the time comes for the Final Confrontation I'll still lace up my boots in Ned's camp.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

man I could fight the Vice wars all day, 'cause I always win

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, let's fight the Vice wars again!

Nah. Instead I think we should reduce something to an overly simplistic binary and then argue about its two poles even though they've left out a great deal of the original pre-binary-reduction concept.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank ya, Martin, though it's not 'my' camp as it is the mods' in general -- and this is actually why I'm glad Dan and Tombot are working on revising/making clear the FAQ and policies. As noted, I'm not the only one who has locked threads by him, though certainly I'm one of the more persistent.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

We're trying to turn Japanese kids on to Pat Buchanan, it's great!

That will not be difficult considering the Japanese isolationist tendency.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

btw Ned rocks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You get the moral victory, J0hn, but I screw real actual money out of the repugnant Republican bastards. Of course, I take it all to a small island in the Hebrides and burn it.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I meant "Ned's camp" as in "the camp where Ned is" rather than "the camp Ned commands."

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

But according to Momus I'm only a mod in order to exercise power!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought you meant "Ned is camp".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that went without saying.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, you get paid by them for helping disseminate their racist, sexist crap. Congratulations on helping privileged white kids feel better about hurting others' feelings by using the word "nigger" and feeling transgressive about it.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought he was arguing that you were only a Moderator because Calum is a Troll (because you are a Moderator because...)

xpost Dan I seriously considered making that comment, but I decided that there's no place for humor in such a serious discussion.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.haywired.com/lovesusan3/tvwork/amc4.jpg

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Help, a Rockist!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not rockist surgery.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

When I didn't have power for a week, I read most of the Vice Guide To Sex, Drugs & Rock'n'Roll. I was surprised to find a few really great things - the ex-junkie blaming himself for the death of people he introduced to heroin, for instance - mixed in among the usual crap.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

hope you didn't pay for it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they do have the occasional winner amidst all the just-discovered-Henry-Miller stuff

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but I still hope milo didn't pay for it. All that shit was free in the magazine.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never seen a racial epithet used offensively in Vice, J0hn, but then I've never found Calum's views on women particularly shocking either, so maybe I'm just odd.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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