and I'd appreciate a cut'n'paste of dan's comment that thinking of minstresly when seeing a kid in blackface is racist, as I can't seem to find it.
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (djperr...), November 1st, 2005.
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― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― jdubz (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
xxpost
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
"pretending that theres no racist context for blackface" = You haven't explained how a kid dressing up as his favorite athlete is racism in any way, still.
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― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
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xpost wearing a freaking miniskirt was a controversial act at one time. Also there are plenty of white people and jewish people with "nappy hair," labelling them as assholes for choosing a hairstyle is a little odd. Please explain to me how someone can go in costume as Ben Wallace without sporting a wig.
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost Ethan no one is condoning all people ever doing things for imitative purposes, is the thing here. I mean you just said you would maybe even laugh at a kid dressed up like that and I'd bet you wouldn't assume it was racism rearing its ugly head.
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
WHERE IS DAVID STERN TO MAKE SURE THE BAD BLACK BALLPLAYERS WEAR SUITS?!????!?
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
I find the rasta cap wig thing really offensive. Especially since it's usually paired with the "irie, mon. watch me smoke my big spliff" mock patois. I gave a lot of evil looks over that at the Halloween party at was at over the weekend. Kids, adults, whoever need to be confronted and set straight on that shit a lot more often.
xpost And the "jewfro" = an afro wig is totally ridiculous.
― Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link
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― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― sfxxxx, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
were you dressed up as .. evil?
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
ts: comically overstated misanthropy vs. noblesse oblige
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
No, I was Sarah Dash from Labelle. I'm naturally evil.
― Candicissima (candicissima), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
well I mean that's true.
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
cf. the miasppropriation of Joel Chandler Harris, etc.
― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE
AHHHHHHHH
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
also we just split the bill and didn't argue.
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
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― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
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― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
And no, the "jewfro" thing isn't "totally ridiculous" because ethan just said nonblacks with fros are "assholes"! I mean I think jess and I have a right to point out two prominent froed out Jews who probably weren't trying to ironically co-opt black culture if y'all have the right to call them "assholes."
So, again, ethan, are you saying that people just shouldn't go as Ben Wallace to Halloween (without the blackface)? This is patently offensive no matter what? I mean I agree people shouldn't go to Halloween as Ben Wallace cos quite frankly, as I keep saying, that's a pretty crap costume. But I'm asking, should the kid just not have gone as Ben Wallace (again, assuming no blackface), or is there some alternative, Ben Wallace with shaved head, that you are thinking of?
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Love and Theft: Blackface Minstrelsy and the American Working Class is a really wonderful book.
― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
I am 8. There is some stupid school lipsync contest. My then best-friend and I want to do "Old Man River." His parents tell him it would be racially offensive to do so! I am 12. A good friend who is an actor is cast as MLK in this stupid school play/pagent (yeah, the jr high is nearly all white and latino, so virtually no black kids to be found anyway) and he's told that he can't do his spot-on MLK voice imitation because to talk too much like MLK, being white and all, becuz that would be "racially offensive." So he has to end up giving the speech in this stupid nasal dorky voice.
These things both pissed me off to no end.
In unrelated news, I went as Arnold Schwarzenegger (omg! fake-austrian accent! offensive!) to a halloween party on saturday and threatened to kick out all the hispanic folx. I think this was taken in good fun.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
That bit you got right, certainly.
I wouldn't let my child wear blackface, or anything like that. I don't understand why anyone would let their kid go out like that. Maybe in some world of complete equality of oppurtunity, equal rights, equal status, it would be ok, but we very much don't live in that world.
I can remember the black & white minstrel show being on bbc1 every week, sat night iirc. It was very popular, though we didn't used to watch it.
When we were kids in junior school (this would have been in the early 1970s, I think 1972.) one year the school nativity play was done in blackface, ie as if the play was done by the black & white minstrels. This was the teachers idea. I remember my parents and others not being very keen on the idea. Nevertheless it went ahead.
If I think about it now, I feel kind of dizzy, what the fuck, you know? Why the fuck did they do that? It would be nice to think that people in 2005 had more sense than people in 1972, anyway. Obviously some people don't.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link