2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

HILLARY CLINTON DOUBLE DIPPED YOUR CHIP

HISLARY CILTON HAS A BUCKET

Meme's dead, dude

Nobody sees McCain as a "grouchy old weirdo."

maybe not yet, but next to Obama this will be the inescapable impression given

The press loves him,

the press loves him so much the most prominent paper in the country - that endorsed him - just made a blatant attempt to discredit him...? I think this love affair has been overstated.

Obama's never had to face a strongly negative campaign and is already on the defensive

He is?! He's killing Hillary right now! Whose tried to run a fairly negative campaign (or what do you call Bill's dumbass race-baiting and her distortions of his record?)

we're going to be in Iraq for the next 10,000 years.

Yeah that's a message the electorate is really excited about ennit. wtf lolz

You read slate
XPOST

boing!

Proof or no, backlash or no, a lot of people are going to get the gut feeling McCain did that lady. Especially when her picture pops up side-by-side with the wife.

I don't think most people are going to give a shit. Liberals as a rule don't really care about infidelity, and conservatives don't trust the source. Its a wash.

Obama's never had to face a strongly negative campaign and is already on the defensive

He is?! He's killing Hillary right now! Whose tried to run a fairly negative campaign (or what do you call Bill's dumbass race-baiting and her distortions of his record?)

Yeah his ability to stand up to Hill's HARD-HITTING accusations of plagiarism really fills me with confidence.

Liberals as a rule don't really care about infidelity

lol

Liberals as a rule don't really care about infidelity, and conservatives don't trust the source.

There is... another.

Trying to beat McCain just PLAYS INTO MCCAIN'S HANDS don't you see??!?

CNN headline: Schneider: Clinton's got tough road to hoe

You can't hoe a road.

YES WE CAN.

I can't see Ann Richards and HRC swingin' back beers.

Think she'll bring up the plagiarism?

ooh a Cuba question.

Not sure if "momentum" is the word Hillary wants to be using right now, in any context.

Freeze interest rates for five years?

lol @ obama just basically called clinton "silly"

haha Obama just hit that plagiarism shit outta the park

jesus christ Hillary is totally falling on her sword here did she just favorably compare her position on foreclosures to Dubyas

Hillary's "your words have to be your own words thing" is so disingenuous! I mean does she not have a goddamn speechwriter?

I was thinking the same thing, Clay.

Obama's overall point, in his campaign, is to say imply that Hillary can't compete unless she resorts to distortions and misrepresentations. This is where he's flipping the script on Atwater/Rove campaigning.

He's sucked tonight. He looks like he would prefer reading Middlemarch in his favorite chair tonight.

Josh Marshall's right:
Okay, nastiness interlude didn't last long. Back to health care. Barack's answer was, I think, a good illustration of the bind Hillary's in at the moment. He keeps drawing back from fights and lays out policy differences which he says reasonable can disagree on, etc. Kind of like a boxer who won't let an opponent get in close or a football team ahead late in the game who won't call anything but safe ground plays that run the clock and give little opportunity to force a turnover.

The National Reivew, of all places, has a good point too:
Barack Obama does make people feel good, which is remarkable given that he spends so much time talking about how bad things are. We're going broke, we're losing a war to a third world country, we're all working three jobs and still can't afford our meds, our souls are sick, etc., etc.

It's an amazing dichotomy. Hillary Clinton right now could announce she's handing out $100 bills and people would yawn. Barack could then announce he's taking the 100 bucks away, and people in the crowd would faint with excitement.

okie, lol @ AP headline

"Obama, Clinton differ slightly on Castro"

shut up already barack with the 'i was born to a single mother' line

Barack would like to tell you a story he's never told anyone before

hilary whooped his butt on the last question!

man that was boring

standing o?!

i feel like hillary had the last quarter of that debate totally in hand.

I... guess. I dunno I missed some but all in all it was pretty yawnsome.

my hrc friend was like "hil is gonna make me cry" re the bit about influences

WHO WON TONIGHT?

America won, as usual, Daniel.

no one wins in these (or any?) debates

Obama's goal was not to land a deathblow, but to avoid making a mistake. That's what he did. Hillary made a minor one, but these things just don't matter much.

Yeah without Hillary blowing Barack out of the room this debate wasn't going to mean a whole lot. She didn't, so it doesn't.

the only thing blowing out of the room was Barry's pad of paper. I think he was using it as a distraction.

America won, as usual, Daniel.

Thank G-d for that. I was worried.

I'll bet Jack ends up getting Claire killed.

Whoops, wrong thread.

yea, i don't think hillary succeeded at anything she really needed to do tonight to make the debate actually matter. obama gave a really solid performance -- his iraq answers as always were spot on, he did a great job answering the commander-in-chief question, and all in all he gave a lot more beefed-up, specific answers.

he handled the plagiarism question almost perfectly, and his comments made hillary's remarks seem petty. josh marshall at TPM described it pretty well.

i don't know if i'd say there was a winner. hilz is a solid debator, i think, but as mentioned she really need a blowout and this didn't even come close. if anything, i think it only benefitted obama.

Anyone going to ask Hill whether she came up with "change you can Xerox" herself?

haha

I think the final statement from Hill was great

apparently daily kos is abuzz with that last bit, people discussing whether it was a "valedictory moment or an effective concession of the nomination"

which bit?