since i've been reading him since 2007 i don't know why i'd mean 22 months but thanks for your pedantic dumbass bullshit anyway cheers :)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
(sorry, i'm upset about rl stuff, i'm not gonna post anymore while this stuff is going on cause i'm just gonna be a jerk)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
jk
anyway i don't think this is what you're saying exactly but i doubt 2007 gg would have a different position on wikileaks
i really would rather not talk about glenn greenwald though
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't mind Greenwald at all, except when I do.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah, that's basically my ish with him. when he's right, he's right.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
which to me is fifty percent of the time and okay with me.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
His arguments re: the media speaking as the voice of the post-9/11 Security State are pretty convincing, and he seems to tie that into most of the stuff he talks about these days.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
So what differentiates this dude from the usual garden variety anarchist? Aside from his platform and prominence?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The central goal of WikiLeaks is to prevent the world's most powerful factions -- including the sprawling, imperial U.S. Government -- from continuing to operate in the dark and without restraints. Most of the institutions which are supposed to perform that function -- beginning with the U.S. Congress and the American media -- not only fail to do so, but are active participants in maintaining the veil of secrecy. WikiLeaks, whatever its flaws, is one of the very few entities shining a vitally needed light on all of this. It's hardly surprising, then, that those factions -- and their hordes of spokespeople, followers and enablers -- see WikiLeaks as a force for evil. That's evidence of how much good they are doing.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/30/wikileaks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+salon/greenwald+(Glenn+Greenwald)
On a gut level my problem with this kind of thing is the seeming asymmetry of it. Unless you're going to have equal-sized disclosures for every government in the world, you're sort of single out the United States for the kind of secrecy every modern nation practices. If there's information that's especially damning like the Pentagon Papers I'm all for releasing it. But I don't see the benefit in getting behind-the-scenes diplomatic communications and opinions otherwise, unless we're going to get the same from all sides.
― ball (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Unless you're going to have equal-sized disclosures for every government in the world,
Well US is proportionately always gonna be of more global interest than, what, 97% of other countries?
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
So you think the right has a point -- that the leaks acquire validity if, say, Chinese and North Korean "secrets" emerged too?
(no sarcasm intended)
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
who me? got no other opinion, certainly no informed one, tbh
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Julian Assange is greatfor me to leak on
― buzza, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
no -- Hurting
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
phew
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You have to admire someone who can seriously annoy just about every government on the planet. On the other hand I feel sorry for his parents.
― badg, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
On a gut level my problem with this kind of thing is the seeming asymmetry of it.
The only way asymmetry arguments hold up, IMO, is if Assange declined to leak from China/Russia/etc. - which seems unlikely, since some of the current leaks are pretty damning of Russia and China themselves.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Older but very interesting piece on the potential criminal liability of Wikileaks.
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2010/09/public_class.html
― Bull fighting, Paris, hunting, suicide (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/activate-reston5
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:52 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol
ladies and gentlemen, last night we came under attack by means of a direct denial of service attack. we had no choice but to *emperor assange removes his glasses, rubs his eyes... for a moment you are reminded that he is human... like us* we had to activate Reston5. may god forgive me.
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link
people who claim that wikileaks is politically neutral forget the existence of collateral murder
― .\ /. (dayo), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Just had my first look at the actual leaks, seems like these cables are gold for "unusual details" stuff; here's from Astana:
¶10. (C) HOW TO ORDER LAMB. Idenov insisted the Ambassador order a bottle of wine for their dinner but then never touched his first glass. Instead, he gulped three cans of Coca-Cola while inhaling his food. When both he and the Ambassador ordered lamb chops, Idenov advised, “Well done, never rare -- this is Astana, not London!”
(Fun fact: the (C) at the start means that this paragraph is merely "Confidential", as opposed to (S) "Secret", which is the overall classification of that particular msg.)
― anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Interpol puts Assange on most-wanted list
Shameless attention-grab from washed up indie-rockers.
― Julian Osage Orange (kkvgz), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Assange's mother, Christine, said her son sees himself as "fighting baddies," but added she was afraid he had gotten "too smart for himself."
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqtIafdoH_g
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
The US has the largest diplomatic, intelligence (perhaps not internal intelligence, mind) and military apparatuses in the history of the world - there's simply going to be more to leak there.
and the database from which the latest documents were leaked is accessible by over three million people. It is astonishing that more from here has not been leaked already.
Anyway, it was interesting to see David Milliband and Foreign Office officials colluding with the USA in the misleading of the UK's parliament on cluster bombs.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 2 December 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
this is also interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-cyprus-rendition-torture
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 2 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Controversial choice for Dead Pool 2011.
― Two and a Half Muffins (Eazy), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
rendition shit is so so disgusting & humiliating
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
In the future, when historians look at this time, rendition is something that "the west" will rightly be absolutely crucified for. Not that that helps it's victims. It is a fucking disgrace.
Also, UK govts since 1965 must be the weakest, supine, spineless bunch of lamers the modern world has ever known. It is absolutely pathetic and makes me ashamed of my nationality.
― Pashmina, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
In the future, when historians look at this time,
http://i53.tinypic.com/2lvmjvc.jpg
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/JkzS3.jpg
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, that was the most nonsense comics page ever in a long history of nonsense comics.
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
doom is crying because he wishes hed thought of it
― max, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the po' faced absurdity of Marvel Supervillains.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Because even the worst of us, however scarred, are still human. Still feel. Still mourn the random* death of innocents.
* Except when they're the ones doing the random killing.
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
They should have had Galactus on that page too
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's time for a neversayrandomagain tumblr or something
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:58 PM
they're pretty much all like "welp i can't compete with this"
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
"spent all this money and all i needed was a couple guys and boxcutters??"
― max, Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
omg I never noticed Kingpin and Juggernaut in that comic until just now
like either of them would even care
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I can get Kingpin caring more than Doom or Magneto (maybe he has some kind of "no one abuses NYC unless it's me" thing going on)
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
current Magneto at least makes some sense to be there
Doom being there is fucking ludicrous
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah doom would def. be on board with it.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Doom would just be sad that it would be difficult to outdo in terms of spectacle.
― THX THO... (Nicole), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://onlinejournalismblog.com/files/2010/01/Flickr_JulianAssange-klein.jpg
^ magneto
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Kingpin I'd give a pass to (blowing up the WTC = bad for business) but the rest of those dudes? lol
― goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Juggernaut would only show up to loot
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
what the hell are you all talking about?
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
click on some images
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link