Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks

yeah well some of these wikileaks bros like to have an empirical basis for their morbsian assertions i guess

if the threshold of interestingness is 'huge conspiracy unpredicted even by most cynical leftist' then i don't know if any concievable leak will really raise more than a shrug (since 70s at least)

I don't think it's even really conspiracy theory about how the banks made out like bandits before/during/and after the "crisis" - there's plenty of damning stuff in the public record, it's just a lot of it is fairly incomprehensible to the average citizen (including me!)

yeah, but i'd guess there is more candour in internal documents

like that french dude who was up before congress w/ his damning emails

whatever happened there btw

shakey mo, esq: "but judge everyone KNOWS this guy did it"

as long as you don't say it explicitly, useful prosecutorial strategy right there

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/activate-reston5

ha

shakey mo, esq: "but judge everyone KNOWS this guy did it"

will seriously lol if one of Wikileaks illegally leaked documents is successfully used in court to prosecute a bank for a crime keep me posted on that

Wikileaks isn't interested in the law, everything they do is about (clumsily attempting to frame) media narratives and self-aggrandizement

will seriously lol if one of Wikileaks illegally leaked documents is successfully used in court to prosecute a bank for a crime keep me posted on that

doesn't quite work but you get what im saying

they're all in on it man

haha yeah that too

i'm hyped for some bank disclosures. would it be too donald sutherlandy to say that i expect that's more likely to get assange killed?

the crash and bailouts need a pentagon papers imo. there's a thousand books out describing how fucked we are but there needs to be a personal touch, "yeah, we're fuckin you" kind of thing

The Economist's excellent editorial.

― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 10:11 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark

"W.W." in Iowa City? that's will wilkinson innit. didn't know he wrote for DiA

xxxp - yes the literal meaning is exactly what i was going for there, thanks for clearing that up. now let's get organized and go speak hunches to power

Like, why is Prince Andrew even invited anywhere? I thought he was the ultimate no1curr royal.

yes wikileaks is all about providing evidence for court trials!! thats how all important changes happen rite, in a courtroom!! with a gavel!!!

shakey mo/palin 2012

shakey mo gives wikileaks' latest album a 4.8

shakey mo/palin 2012

if you people have a point you aren't expressing it very well

i believe i have some insight into their point

http://www.t-shirt-mania.com/bad-attitude-t-shirts/Fuck-the-Police.jpg

Leave Shakey alone: he's my transportation secretary.

Oh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJJbrFvF7A&feature=player_embedded

Did this get posted?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/30/10_conversations_that_just_got_a_little_more_awkward

lol @ "Julian Ahsaaaaahnge" in that clip

thats how all important changes happen rite, in a courtroom!! with a gavel!!!

please to point me to any "important changes" that have resulted from Wikileaks' actions k thx bye

like I get that you guys are all excited about the PRINCIPLE of freedom of information - which I for the most part agree with, hey yes, let's have it! - but the practical impacts of Wikileaks' half-assed data dumps are negligible to negative so um what exactly is there to be cheering about apart from having a new collection of laughable tidbits to pore over for a day or two

Did you read the Forbes article in full, Shakey? The whole thing that happened in Iceland is pretty notable alone.

haven't gotten to the forbes article yet, no

I recommend you do. (The interview is separate from the article but I find the article more informative.)

oh yeah I wasn't interested in the interview so didn't click

Seems like Wikileaks does exactly what you'd think it does, it leaks information. It doesn't stop the war and it doesn't expose some completely unknown scandals. The Wikileaks site didn't have a front page saying THIS LEAK WILL CHANGE THE WORLD with a big count-down clock on it or something. If you're upset that there aren't any "important changes" resulting from all this then perhaps you should lower your personal expectations.

the shit has been out for like three days

this could happen:

http://www.slate.com/id/2276190/

xxp much too generous to wikileaks. they clearly have an agenda. the idea that they are agnostic about the information it's releasing is preposterous. and they obviously wants to have an impact, if only to further that agenda. in that respect its mostly doing a terrible job.

waut @ Iceland, that is actually the coolest thing about this whole shebang

if the biggest impact of this leak is that it ruins Hillary's political chances going into the future, that'll be a bummer.

Seems like Wikileaks does exactly what you'd think it does, it leaks information. It doesn't stop the war and it doesn't expose some completely unknown scandals. The Wikileaks site didn't have a front page saying THIS LEAK WILL CHANGE THE WORLD with a big count-down clock on it or something. If you're upset that there aren't any "important changes" resulting from all this then perhaps you should lower your personal expectations.

um please to note that SOMEONE ELSE implied that important changes were going to be borne from these leaks, not me. And sure while this latest batch has only been out for a few days (and appears to be largely inconsequential), the previous stuff has been out for months.

Iceland thing is interesting. kind of hard to predict how it will play out and whether it will be a success. I'll be surprised if anybody from that bank goes to jail tho fwiw.

and yeah caek otm

this could happen:

http://www.slate.com/id/2276190/

The sort of drool David Broder writes. No wonder the WaPo and Slate are sister publications.

agree with Alfred there, that's overstating the case. it's taken as a given that countries' diplomatic corps' function this way - unless some unforeseen horrible breakdown with a major ally ensues claiming that Hillary's days are numbered seems like overheated hyperbole to me. Obama seems plenty happy with her so far.

did someone post this?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/wikileaks-just-made-the-world-more-repressive/article1818157/

fart

the two guys toing and froing on the economist blog are doing a really good job imo

Amazed by that Shafer article. I don't see Clinton losing her job over this at all.

LOL, I was unaware that Wikileaks had recently tweeted "The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Sneakersmovie.jpg

ha that's almost friedman-y

xp

my parents love Sneakers.

The coming months will see a new world, where global history is redefined

lol