wikileaks said some evil bastard hacker types tried to DOS them
caek's graph refute or possibly confirms that *shrug emoticon*
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
On November 28, 2010, whistle blower site wikileaks.org experienced a ~minor~ DDoS attack. This was presumably related to the pending release of many thousands of secret diplomatic cables.[32]
aint no thang yall
chillassange.jpg
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf, histrionics like http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/8920530488926208 could have been fog of war and not, you know, histrionics
― caek, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
it was probably histrionics though
everyone otm that they seem to need the advice of people who understand the context of the documents, because they are not very good at this media stuff.
― caek, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
they've got that from their "media partners" now, but their interest is obviously in disclosure, even if it's just gossip. not sure that an organization processing massive amounts of confidential government data and deciding, without any real accountability, what to release and what to withhold is all that great an idea either - i mean, i can see why they thought releasing it all makes more sense even if that brings its own problems.
most whistleblowers usually do the selection and editing themselves though. question for me is still, what is it within this material and all the other leaks that bradley manning thought was so important? haven't seen anything worth going to jail for yet. and if there is something of significance, hasn't he undermined it by burying it in a flood of crap?
― joe, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, spying on the UN is a pretty big deal, and basically illegal. Everyone knows the US does it, but nice to have the evidence (kind of like when you manage to pin something on Al Capone). Likewise, bullying Germany into not prosecuting US kidnappers is surely a somewhat big deal. And getting US diplomats to gather intelligence on Palestinian politicians to facilitate their extermination by Israel.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
not just kill, exterminate
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
sright.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey otm lately.
i'm all for transparency but if anyone in politics cannot say *anything* without the risk of it being leaked then wtf is the point? its just going to make government officials even less likely to attempt to do things or think of new ideas in case they make a cock out of themselves on an international scale as opposed to the 1 intern they sent a memo to and losing their job. whereas iran will still be mental.
i guess if this stops a few conspiracy nuts then fine but i suspect their find a detail here or there to send them even more batshit.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
as long as you're ok with saying hamas is out to 'exterminate' israelis then ok...
xpost
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i56.tinypic.com/a9vchy.gif
― Kerm, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
has 'trap going hamas' been used yet?
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
frankly the bank stuff is more compelling to me than a bunch of half-secret gossipy emails about the government. but I also think wikileaks hyping it's importance is getting a little old, because they aren' really leaking anything that explosive. the bank thing had better be. but at this point, what would really shock anyone?
― akm, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah going 180, im a lot more pumped for the banking one
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
what would really shock anyone?
Thousands of emails saying "sorry"?
― specifically, the word talking (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
totally, seems like something we can all get behind. hope they make some effort to digest rather than merely infodump. xp
― caek, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Once again the Taiwanese save you the bother of wading through pages of news...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhXid6PmkO4
― specifically, the word talking (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
The Economist's excellent editorial.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
well, i'll be interested to see the economist's reaction to the bank leaks
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/29-9
― straight old fashioned, virgin (another al3x), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^^Wikileaks Honduras: State Dept. Busted on Support of Coup
given the quality of other stuff Wikileaks has released so far my guess is this bank "megaleak" (lol) is just gonna be more bullshit we already know (ie "bankers are rich smug assholes robbing the rest of us blind!" shocker)
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah well some of these wikileaks bros like to have an empirical basis for their morbsian assertions i guess
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if the threshold of interestingness is 'huge conspiracy unpredicted even by most cynical leftist' then i don't know if any concievable leak will really raise more than a shrug (since 70s at least)
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it's even really conspiracy theory about how the banks made out like bandits before/during/and after the "crisis" - there's plenty of damning stuff in the public record, it's just a lot of it is fairly incomprehensible to the average citizen (including me!)
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but i'd guess there is more candour in internal documents
like that french dude who was up before congress w/ his damning emails
whatever happened there btw
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey mo, esq: "but judge everyone KNOWS this guy did it"
― straight old fashioned, virgin (another al3x), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
as long as you don't say it explicitly, useful prosecutorial strategy right there
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/activate-reston5
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― lex eduction horror (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
will seriously lol if one of Wikileaks illegally leaked documents is successfully used in court to prosecute a bank for a crime keep me posted on that
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Wikileaks isn't interested in the law, everything they do is about (clumsily attempting to frame) media narratives and self-aggrandizement
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
doesn't quite work but you get what im saying
they're all in on it man
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah that too
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm hyped for some bank disclosures. would it be too donald sutherlandy to say that i expect that's more likely to get assange killed?
the crash and bailouts need a pentagon papers imo. there's a thousand books out describing how fucked we are but there needs to be a personal touch, "yeah, we're fuckin you" kind of thing
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 10:11 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark
"W.W." in Iowa City? that's will wilkinson innit. didn't know he wrote for DiA
― first as tragedy, then as favre (goole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp - yes the literal meaning is exactly what i was going for there, thanks for clearing that up. now let's get organized and go speak hunches to power
― straight old fashioned, virgin (another al3x), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, why is Prince Andrew even invited anywhere? I thought he was the ultimate no1curr royal.
― romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yes wikileaks is all about providing evidence for court trials!! thats how all important changes happen rite, in a courtroom!! with a gavel!!!
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey mo/palin 2012
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey mo gives wikileaks' latest album a 4.8
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
if you people have a point you aren't expressing it very well
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i believe i have some insight into their point
http://www.t-shirt-mania.com/bad-attitude-t-shirts/Fuck-the-Police.jpg
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Leave Shakey alone: he's my transportation secretary.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJJbrFvF7A&feature=player_embedded
Did this get posted?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/30/10_conversations_that_just_got_a_little_more_awkward
― macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ "Julian Ahsaaaaahnge" in that clip
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
thats how all important changes happen rite, in a courtroom!! with a gavel!!!
please to point me to any "important changes" that have resulted from Wikileaks' actions k thx bye
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
like I get that you guys are all excited about the PRINCIPLE of freedom of information - which I for the most part agree with, hey yes, let's have it! - but the practical impacts of Wikileaks' half-assed data dumps are negligible to negative so um what exactly is there to be cheering about apart from having a new collection of laughable tidbits to pore over for a day or two
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Did you read the Forbes article in full, Shakey? The whole thing that happened in Iceland is pretty notable alone.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link