a 30 for 30 thread

More! Yay!!!!! <3

good stuff

is fitting as hell the SMU 1 is premiering after cam wins the heisman

lol otm

Finally saw the Marcus Dupree ep. Damn. Just...what all of those self-interested adults did with, or to, this amazing, talented kid...it just tells you so much. If he had just had one good person close enough to him to guide him right...damn. That Rev made me so hopping mad. Not just over the money but that Marcus genuinely trusted him as a friend & he used that trust for his own gain.

But what a cool guy Marcus grew up to be. Just humble & open & good. Glad he could see his story told on such a caring, respectful way. Fuckin top notch.

Sorry, tl:dr as always

naw, I agree in full. That reverend guy was a total asshole. Marcus might not have had as much trouble dealing with Switzer at OU if Mr. Rev hadn't been planting all kinds of shit in his mind.

Totally. It gives a lot more weight to the Reggie Bush & Cam Newton discussions, when you see what forces are at work on a kid that talented. And they're still kids, that's what bothers me about all the money & cars & houses that get bandied about. It's sort of evil to me.

And it made me think about other stuff too, like Ricky Wiliams breakdown, and Vince Young, or ...just that it's so easy for shit to get out of control when you blow up so big so quickly. Hard to say how to stop it, bc sometimes it just happens...but the tragedy in Dupree's story is it might have been avoidable, to some extent.

Looks like they're showing one of these every night in December on ESPN classic in the UK - http://www.espnclassic.com/gb/ecuk/espn-news-updates/espn-news/espn-films-presents-30-for-30

Gibney-Bartman sounds v promising

just saw eric dickerson & craig james talk abt the smu 1, gawd it's gonna be good -- dickerson seemed still defensive abt a trans am his grandmother bought him & they fwded a few good conspiracy angles on y the ncaa gave smu the death penalty

really does make me think they should finance like a 6 hr doc abt the history of the ncaa

would watch

who should play sherwood blount in the live action movie im going 2 write of this

I'm sure most schools were just as dirty as SMU in the 80s, but SMU seemed to have the highest concentration of complete boobs in positions of authority...thus, they're the ones who got caught.

But DAMN. They were low down.

this shit was awesome, also ending on OMG WE WON THE HAWAII BOWL was lol

college football was responsible for all the best 30 for 30s

luv that the ncaa investigator fainted after giving smu the death penalty

Wow. I'm still learning abt colllege sports, and just starting to get into college football: I didnt know anything about this story til now. Craziness! Boosters sure seem like shady dudes. Though tbh all I think of when I see "booster" is Buddy Garrity from Friday Night Lights. And it seems to hold up, lol!

OMG WE WON THE HAWAII BOWL was lol

^this paired w/ mythologizing, low-angle camera shots of JUNE JONES as savior had me dyin

Fab Five, anyone?

we talked a lot about it in the rolling bball thread

p much from here on down they reminisce over yao -- 2010/2011 regular season second half thread

yea this was v good, <3 jalen

Grant Hill is pretty great:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/?ref=sports

i understand the need for a response, but i thought the doc made it very clear that they were describing how they perceived duke and hill at the time--and yeah it was ugly and wrong, but jalen especially was upfront about how it came from his own resentment.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

wow eloquent as hell

haha grant hill talking about how duke players totally aren't uncle toms and lists Tommy Amaker in his defense

That's a pretty serious thing to say. Why, because he coaches Harvard?

it wasnt a serious thing to say, it was a joke

grant hill thing is worth it for the kicker

Fab Five couldnt hold a candle to UNLV for early '90s baddassness.

my god the dupree one was so good, definitely in the top five
the whole thing was worth it for the moment where marcus watches his high school self with this mix of awe and sadness and wonder and confusion and it's all right there on his face.

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saw the Dupree one last night...jesus what a talent...yeah that part you mentioned was really heartbreaking but sweet at the same time.

the thing that really got me, that just showed how some of these kids have such a small worldview and are thrown into these high pressure situations..it's like when he finally decides to listen to his mom and friends and ask for something from oklahoma, all he can think to ask for with all that money being thrown around is a double wide trailer in mississippi

really looking forward to the long discussed bartman.
Fab five was good, but without webber felt incomplete. That dude is NEVER gonna talk on this, is he.

well in hindsight it looks like weber might have been smart to stay out of it!

i didn't know they were doing a bartman one! crazy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/03/chicago-cubs-fan-steve-bartman-catching-hell-again-at-tribeca-festival/1

Cant wait to see the Bartman one.

I will stop what I'm doing and watch that Marcus Dupree one every time I see it's on. Just saw it the fourth time and it's still just as good as the first time I saw it.

yea i got caught up in it again for a while too

just watched the smu one for the first time. college football as a system is so fucked up and fascinating. it was briefly touched on in the documentary how the whole paying kids to play thing isn't partic clear-cut morally: the players come from poor families and college football generates tons of money. i don't really know anything about it, so i'm sure this is a total noob question, but what if they just starting paying the players legitimately? i guess it fucks with the whole college is supposed to be about education thing, but i doubt those players are getting great educations under the status quo.

there's litigation underway right now to do just that but the ncaa is a goliath
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/ncaa-lawsuit/

thank you! do you guys have *thoughts* about this lawsuit or compensation for student athletes more generally?

all student athletes should be paid a flat fee across the board with a structured bonus schedule for personal and team achievements. doesn't have to be a ton of cash but players should absolutely receive compensation and better players should receive better compensation. It can be regulated by the NCAA and flat across the board so big colleges don't get a leg up. But that would harpoon colleges that are already paying their players and would screw up some legacies so

the new batch of docs

Tuesday, Sept. 27, 8 p.m. – Catching Hell (Alex Gibney/Gary Cohen) *120 minutes
Tuesday, Oct. 4, 8 p.m. – Renée (Eric Drath) *90 minutes
Tuesday, Oct. 11, 8 pm. – The Dotted Line (Morgan Spurlock/Jeremy Chilnick)
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8 p.m. – Unguarded (Jonathan Hock/Philip Aromando)
Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8 p.m. –The Real Rocky (Jeff Feuerzeig/Mike Tollin)
Tuesday, Nov. 1, 8 p.m. – Charismatic (Steve Michaels/Jonathan Koch)
Tuesday, Nov. 8, 8 p.m. – Roll Tide/War Eagle (Martin Khodabakhshian)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/07/27/espn-films-announces-tv-schedule-for-new-documentaries/99047/

Catching Hell is the Bartman one, right?

o man is the charismatic one on the horse?

yes & yes

awesome awesome awesome
really looking forward to these.

Looking forward to all of them, but especially the last one for obvs reasons. SWEET HOME ALABAMMY!

:D