ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

soz guys, was brought up in the 'animals eating other animals' thread and I felt it would fit here too

the joke is on me, for I have not been able to sleep properly

we are very sensitive in this gore torture horror thread, louis

I Sell the Dead was way way too goofy for me, with a plot so transparent and cgi so blatant that i really didnt like it at all, seemed v v cheap, and not in a good way. Mum and Dad was a nasty bit of mean mean movie, not totally to my liking but some great moments - dad in particular was pretty o_O.

Loved 'House of the Devil.' I love the tone and subject matter of many films from the mid- to late- 70's, and (this isn't a very original idea on my part) I thought Ti West captured it pretty perfectly without resorting to irony.

S&Man = i mean, not really that good. maybe i watch too much S&M porn or something (i know TMI TMI) but most of that stuff was pretty tame, and didn't really dive into the meat of the questions Petty seemed to be attempting to ask.

anyway.

It's not about S&M or porn, ya maroon!

excuse me, but who the hell are you?

It explored three directors, one of whom was obviously a fake (Eric), and didn't really dive that deep into the questions behind why people enjoy extreme, near-snuff, or snuff itself. even the 'paraphilia' talks with the husband-wife team were just completely insubstantial. and anyone who didn't see that last part coming is a maroon, imho.

i raise the issue of s&m and porn because of Zebub's bizarre machismo and those long, lingering shots of that 'dead' girl surrounded by candles. there was something strange there, her uncomfortability. to me, that was the most interesting part of the entire film. otherwise, pretty meh.

It's not a documentary.

The question being asked is not so much "why do movies like the S&Man series exist?" as it is, "could something like the S&Man series exist, unsuspected, amid the protective shadows of underground fringe horror?"

hmm, well, yes. there are snuff films and stalker films that are real and do exist. you can find some of them pretty easily, tbh.

that said, i just finished 'Going to Pieces,' a pretty well-done doc about the rise of the slasher pic, political backlash, etc. streaming instant on Netflix. recommended.

there are snuff films and stalker films that are real and do exist. you can find some of them pretty easily, tbh.

since i will never in my life spend any time searching for such things and reassure myself by believing they don't exist, i'd like you to unpack this a bit. i mean, i know that one can find footage of death and even murder, but we are told that snuff films in the classic sense don't exist. by "snuff film" i mean proper movies which happen to include footage of real murders, not simple, on-the-fly event recordings - a hazy division if there ever was one. i.e., not counting stuff like africa addio (as jacopetti was acquitted) or straightforward documents of executions & other killings.

i mean, do tell (don't show)...

yeah, i guess it depends on whether one is using the classic definition of snuff films. obviously on-the-fly examples are numerous (see jjjusten's talk about the Hammer film, for example, which is as sickening as they come, really), but often, even those that are on the fly or depicting executions fit one aspect of snuff, and that is that they are intended for distribution and viewing. i read an argument somewhere (and i can't find it right now, excuse me) that Al Qaeda's videotaping of executions can be considered snuff in some way, since warlords (and etc) profit immensely from continued war (and opium production, duh).

so, yeah, you're right, but a lot of it depends on the parsing of the definition of snuff film.

and yeah, mr. hal jam, i think that no matter what S&Man— part fiction, part real— that it just wasn't successful. it didn't scare me, and it certainly didn't make me think about anything that i haven't thought about before. those are two of my main concerns when watching films of this ilk— if it doesn't make me jump out of my seat, or doesn't make me ponder issues of violence (or moral codes, or sexual barbarism, or whatever), then i tend to be a bit non-plussed.

bewildered and at a loss for words?

regardless of how un/successful you felt Petty was, i do wish you'd refrained from SPOILing S&Man's IMHO clever gambit. those of us here who have seen it have tried to be discreet for the benefit of those who have not yet watched the film.

yeah, i get you, i don't feel i've spoiled anything, tbh. talking about issues relating to the movie doesn't equal SPOILER ALERT

that said, i'm also sorry if i was a dick to you. i just find that within this genre, there's a lot of divisiveness within the fan base. it's cool that you liked it, i just found it sophomoric and rather boring.

hmm, well, yes. there are snuff films and stalker films that are real and do exist. you can find some of them pretty easily, tbh.

― Honey, I squirted jizz all over the baby (the table is the table), Sunday, 28 November 2010 01:58 (5 hours ago)

No real snuff films have ever been found. If you DO know of snuff films that exist and are being sold, you should contact law enforcement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_films

eh, i prefer not to interfere. or intercept such vile material. i'm just saying that if you go to Russia and former Soviet countries, it's there. i saw some things i don't wish i'd seen.

enough, tho. back to horror.

ok, not really horror at all but mentioned on this thread more than any other - "Timecrimes" is pretty fucking amazing. not mucking up a time travel movie deserves some sort of special award imo.

yeah Timecrimes is great.

yup

just watched calvaire, belgian survival horror flick from a few years back. holy shit, that was great. easily and instantly one of my favorite horror films of the past decade. from some shit i wrote on imdb:

kept thinking of humanism while watching this film, the enlightenment idea that human feeling and human intellect are equally rational and that they both intrinsically strive toward human betterment. like a lot of fashionable late 20th century/early 21st century pop philosophy, this film feels like an attempt to annihilate the humanist project, to entirely crush the idea that human beings, human thoughts and emotions have any purpose, that they strive towards anything but their own satisfaction.

marc represents humanist idealism in this scheme, an apollonian vision of human beauty and worth. he is an artist first and foremost. he is industrious and sensible. he sings sentimental, heart-wrenching songs about a love that conquers and thus defines human experience. he lives in a world that makes sense, is cooperative and rewards fundamental decency. but he is alone in this world. he is not only alone but deluded. in the film's scheme, marc's faith in the world's reciprocation of his rational decency is tragically misplaced. in the real world, the world around marc, brutality and obsession rule the day, and no communication can cross the distance between individuals. marc's failure to understand this dooms him.

therefore, when he, in the end, says, "i loved you," he is merely fulfilling his role. he is that which loves, or pretends to try to love, in a loveless world. he is the fool that sees beyond himself, truly believes in the petty, lying bauble, the love song, the christmas morning. in believing, he becomes the object of the world, its plaything. those around him, unable to see beyond themselves, simply use him to satisfy their own hermetic desires. i'm reminded here of lars von trier's dogville, another splendid assault on humanist self-delusion. and i say this as a committed humanist, the obvious object of this film's scorn. c'est la guerre.

I second the Calvaire praise. The Belgians are more fun than the French. (See also: Ex-Drummer.)

dance sequence in the bar tops the one that kicks off werckmeister harmonies, love that scene to death

I think the most original horror flick I've seen this year was The Revenant, though Tuck and Dale Vs Evil was more fun.

er. *Tucker*

two movies from 2009 called "the revenant", neither much seen. which do you mean, and what's the appeal?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1336006/combined

This one. Basically, a stoner-y riff on zombie comedy that progresses in unexpected directions, including a pretty ambitious ending. Not perfect by any means, but definitely refreshing.

both of the films you mention sound pretty great, though oddly similar

Tonally completely different. Also, avoid the Tucker and Dale trailer, it's too spoilery. (I've been told the movie should get a release of some kind early next year.)

ok not sure if ex-drummer mentioned up there is horror per se but holy shit that is a movie that hates humanity pretty much - i liked it but it is a dark dark hearted experience.

millionaire band that does the music for the fake band is pretty awesome as well.

these guys would do well in providence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4eWU-pg3uI

pile of new stuff on instant watch

Ok, just watched murder loves killers too (mentioned upthread by haljam) and I can't say enough good things about it. There are def flaws, but its one of the most exciting over the top things I've seen this year. Not a gore fest, but completely committed to what it sets out to do, great great scares, some dark wacky stuff going on. I want to talk about it more, but some of yall need to see it first.

Oh and holy shit, haljam otm re: the title special feature lololololol

does anyone have any interest in doing a ballot style poll culled from this thread plus nominations now that we're at the end of 2010? i had this idea a few nights ago, but it was late and i was drunk so

I'd vote in that for sure.

y not.

add The Loved Ones.

ok cool, ill start thinking out the details and prob launch the nom list in early/mid january. if anybody has any ideas on how many votes to allow or whatever let me know.

great idea, if only cuz it'll get me off my ass about tracking down some of the more obscure stuff recommended here

For real, tho, The Loved Ones. This 2010 Aussie gem is not out Stateside yet, but it really delivers the shock'n awesome "Oh, Shit!" moments. sort of a role-reversed Otis, only a billion times better.

a poll's a good idea but there are probably a couple of films that will crush everything else... drag me to hell, the devil's rejects, the descent, eden lake, martyrs

whereas most of the interesting things I saw on this thread were the offbeat recommendations

I'd almost rather see a POX thread or something like what omar little did here, tho it seems like a bit of commitment/time suck: The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

For real, tho, The Loved Ones. This 2010 Aussie gem is not out Stateside yet, but it really delivers the shock'n awesome "Oh, Shit!" moments. sort of a role-reversed Otis, only a billion times better.

Saw it. Oh my god. Oh my christing god. I can't remember the last time I saw a film so suspenseful that I involuntarily climbed up the arm of the sofa. Five and a billion stars.

the unborn is pretty hilarious. my gf and i saw the beginning in a hotel and had to netflix it. gary oldman is a rabbi and stringer bell is a priest, and they walk into a bar!

ok, they don't walk into a bar.

i have a lot of catching up to do wrt movies ive watched for this thread but as a public service announcement i just wanted to say that i have now seen the absolute nadir of zombie comedy horror and that movie is called Doghouse and i dont even have words to describe how shitty and wrongheaded and completely awful that piece of shit was.

"Doghouse" earned my favorite Wikipedia notice: "This article's plot summary may be too long or overly detailed. Please help improve it by removing unnecessary details and making it more concise."

Cleansed my palette afterwards with Calvaire which was way better. wow though, bleak as bleak gets, would be a good double feature with Valhalla Rising or Let the Right One In if you wanted to kinda roll with the depressive black horror vibe for 4 hours or so. In the interest of throwing the whole thing for a loop, Meatball Machine is showing up tonight and that should be uh fairly different in tone i expect.

wow i never learn wrt to the lingering trick substitutions of former mod and evil genius DJP.

that gif should be the word "m3t4l" btw.