New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

caek, thanks, I can see how that would work, but it's clumsier than the check-uncheck solution I already use which worked 100% of the time until Apple rolled this new TV thing out the showroom. Also it would mean sorting all 14,000 of my songs all over again and tbh I cbf doing that. Solution for now is to check something if I want to play it on the Apple TV and uncheck it when I've finished.

yeah, that's way less clumsy.

why don't you just sort your tracks by checked/unchecked to determine which ones go into "not ipod" and then do exactly what caek said

i realize it's annoying to do this in a new way, but i think you're building it up to be a bigger deal in your head than it really is. this would take perhaps 15 seconds, or 90 seconds if someone interrupted you to talk about sarah palin or something:

1) make a smart playlist called of everything that is not currently checked.
2) drag everything in that smart playlist to a new regular playlist called "not ipod"
3) option-click a check in your "music" library so all your library is checked
4) forget about the check button from now on

ya but APPLE you fanboy

Caek is your friend here.

haha

also, agree, this The Apple TV displays all unchecked music and allows you to select it but refuses to play it. is totally moronic, def needs to remedied.

it's a bug, no doubt. when you share a library with unchecked songs other macs on the network can see and play the unchecked songs. apple tv should do the same.

why don't you just sort your tracks by checked/unchecked to determine which ones go into "not ipod" and then do exactly what caek said

― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 21 November 2010 11:37 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Because I don't have to! That's not the point. You're telling me how to redo something that alresdy works to avoid a design fault in one Apple product. The problem is not with the way I do things but with the design fault in this one Apple product.

hey here's a good idea, why don't I take to my eardrums with a drill, then I won't hear anything, 45 seconds of work, problem solved

hey here's a good idea, why don't you try my suggestion?

btw caek I will def keep your suggestion in mind and appreciate your advice but I really don't want to fartarse around with all this unless I have to and right now I don't have to.

xp

ok

this discussion is making my head hurt

use playlists ffs

it seems like the main ish is with apple tv, at least in yr case. if you want to keep doing things yr way, keep on keeping on. caek's solution would actually workaround the apple tv bug (eliminates checking as a library management tool altogether, for yr purposes), but yr right, it's pretty janky that apple tv shows unchecked songs as playable. that's because the whole point of checking is to to make songs unplayable. or, rather, make them "autoskipped". like, i can play an unchecked song if i want to, deliberately, but if it's in a playlist or an album (which is just a playlist btw) it will get skipped. like, you know that, right? THAT'S what it does. checking "not skips" songs in a playlist.

i can not believe you're going to live with this extremely minor bug instead doing a five-second fix OUT OF SPITE FOR APPLE

like how is that more rational than being a "fanboy"

and while this will totally sound fanboyish, i have to say that the reason checking isn't working in yr situation is because you're using it "incorrectly." is it bad (from a design standpoint) that yr usage "broke" some other functionality? yes, totally. should you be able to keep doing things yr way? yes, of course. good UI ppl would either have made this kind of management a total free for all (linux) or cordoned off "improper" usage at the get-go (apple's usual MO). like, the best/worst part of dealing with apple stuff is that when they get the Just Works part right, it's rad. but when they get it wrong AND mess with yr pattern of usage, it's totally aggravating and sort of unfixable. that being said: yr doing it wrong.

sl0cki's right, I should just implement caek's suggestion and stfu.

yr right, it's pretty janky that apple tv shows unchecked songs as playable. that's because the whole point of checking is to to make songs unplayable. or, rather, make them "autoskipped". like, i can play an unchecked song if i want to, deliberately, but if it's in a playlist or an album (which is just a playlist btw) it will get skipped. like, you know that, right? THAT'S what it does. checking "not skips" songs in a playlist.

― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Sunday, 21 November 2010 11:53 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Apple gives you a checkbox in the iPod settings to go 'do not auto sync unticked songs with this iPod' (not exact words, I'd post the exact words but I appear to have lost both my iPods would you believe). fn daft to provide such a checkbox when they don't intend on keeping it consistent across everything. One option in the Apple TV settings to include unchecked songs would fix all this btw.

xp see prev paragraph

http://www.ejecutive.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/itunes7_1_thumb.jpg

gbx, that bit where it says 'only sync checked items' is precisely the moment that renders your whole argument undone sadly 4 u

In fact that checkbox is the exact reason I used checkboxes that way in the first place.

ahhhhhhhhh

didn't know that!

i think the point is you're way too focused on checkboxes in general dawg

aa, you've identified a bug. either it's serious enough to implement the 30 second fix, or it's not a big deal, in which case forget about it.

also fwiw i have never met a single person who manages their ipod with checks rather than playlists.

yr right---i def was operating under the impression that the only thing it did, and was good for, was skip tracks.

xp maybe slocks but if apple's gonna make "only sync checked boxes" then it seems pretty valid, tho labor intensive (maybe not since there's a hotkey), to manage things that way

anyway this is my fscking saturday night jesus

i'm just amazed because i have never even once thought about fucking with those lil checkmarks

caek, if I did your solution (correct me if I'm wrong) then everything on the iPod would be in a playlist, right? So I couldn't select stuff by artist/album on the iPod anymore, could I?

Excluding the 'not ipod' playlist would only mean not copying that playlist to the iPod, but the songs would still copy there. That's how it sounds to me anyway. I do not want to try that unless I know for sure that it's going to do exactly what I need it to do because reunchecking a billion songs would take me decades.

btw caek, do you ask people if they use checkboxes? Because I think I don't know a single person who masturbates but I've never asked them.

xp I didn't look at the checkboxes either, until my music collection exceeded the capacity of the 60Gb iPod.

when you sync the ipod, you can choose to sync a selection of playlists. tick the smart "not not ipod" one (and any others you want all the tracks from).

you can still select by artist and track on the ipod, and any tracks that are not in a playlist you select to sync will not be copied across.

you don't _have_ to recheck the unchecked songs. if you untick the "only sync checked items" thing then checking will be ignored. but if you do want to recheck them and are worried about undoing this if it doesn't work out then quit itunes and take a backup of everything in ~/Music/iTunes (except the MP3s themselves, you don't need to backup those) before you do anything.

caek, if I did your solution (correct me if I'm wrong) then everything on the iPod would be in a playlist, right? So I couldn't select stuff by artist/album on the iPod anymore, could I?

no!

xp

that music tab on the screenshot you linked, that's where you choose what playlists to sync

Two clicks + a drag my arse. Every time I add new music to iTunes I have to remember what it all was so I can drag it to the 60Gb iPod. Dragging all doesn't work because 95Gb of music won't fit on a 60Gb iPod (see above).

Make a smart playlist that selects tracks based on "most recently added." Limit it on size or number of tracks.

i have one of those that is anything added in the last three months. mad useful for finding stuff you added and forgot to do something with (e.g. listen to).

i think itunes actually creates something like that by default in new itunes profiles now, but my profile is 2001 vintage.

i've got playlists for "last week" "last 2 weeks" "last month" and "last year"

:-/

re itunes history, this is relevant to my interests:

http://panic.com/extras/audionstory/

daamn aa pulling out 'only sync checked items' at the last second ftw, fanboys pwnd

check yrself iirc

whats that alll i hear is youthful applause

re itunes history, this is relevant to my interests:

http://panic.com/extras/audionstory/

― caek, Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:48 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

p interesting, those dudes shouldve totally gone to work for apple created itunes etc

I'm with AA, I guess. In order not to hear the fucking Conet Project when I hit shuffle on my entire catalogue, I just uncheck them. Click + Shift + Click seems easier than opening up a new playlist, going through a freakin' Boolean ARTIST IS NOT "CONET PROJECT" search.

there's a "do not show up in shuffle" option

f it doesn't work out then quit itunes and take a backup of everything in ~/Music/iTunes (except the MP3s themselves, you don't need to backup those) before you do anything.

― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 12:23 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalin

See this worries me, particularly as the Apple TV problem is likely to get under my feet twice a year. I still don't think I should do anything at all.

I wish you could sort (roughly) by date added and have it still display album by artist

backups:

i've been using a fw drive with a ccc partition, and a tm partition - and it seems to work well (with filevault too). now, with these time machine backups running i'm wondering how often, really, i need to do a ccc backup (i turned the automation of that off, it seemed to play nicer when it was manual - obv this is going to happen less often - hence the question!). a ccc backup whenever new applications have been installed?

both are good to have, and I think we've talked about this in this thread or in other apple threads? basically ccc/super duper for when your main HD bites the bullet and you need to restore as quick as possible. time machine if you need to access older versions of files.

if your main purpose for backing up is just to have a bootable backup, ccc/super duper is a better choice than time machine

clone with ccc or superduper once a week. assuming ccc has a smart update thing that only copies what has changed it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes. put it on a schedule.

thats actually what i've been doing, using both, each on a different partition (which is then duplicated offsite) - i'm just wondering what the extra benefit of having ccc run on a schedule is (given that that is already happening on the time machine partition) - only reason i ask is i had a bit of a problem when ccc ran on a schedule (cant actually remember exactly what it was but it hung and wouldn't let me log out) - doing the ccc manually is obviously less likely to be frequent but at same time doing it that way is a good reminder to swap the onsite and offsite externals!