A Thread about the film JFK

sadly this important historical revelation is nowhere reflected in stone's film

"the parallax effect" and "three days of the condor" are two pretty good 70s 12-ft-lizard movies abt assassination politics

JFK is *made* by that mr. x/sutherland sequence,but yep those techniques of multi-film stock/editing craziness etc seemed brilliant/insane/eye-popping in '92. nobody else had done anything like that.
in fact 'nbk' was just re-hashing most of them shot for shot and
no-one noticed as they hadn't seen jfk in the 1st place. it was a seriously under-watched film at the time, but at 2 hrs 20 minutes
even in it's original non-director's cut that isn't surprising.

stone never ever ever said anything about it being the whole truth.
it was well known that x was based on prouty, although
obviously the waters are yet more muddied around the conspiracy by the fact that he goes too far the other way in trying to convince us of his version, but hey it asked a lot of questions, and it made people ask more questions etc etc.
empire magazine gave it some kind of weird 'inspiration' award about 5 years ago for some reason and stone showed up, gave a speech looking genuinely touched, moved etc.

there was an *astonishing* episode of DISPATCHES (channel 4, uk)
which i had seen early 90's ('91 ?) not long before seeing the movie,
and that was all facts no theory, it definitely helped to see something like that beforehand.

sutherland's fave bit of all his 80's/90's work he says.
3 months prep for 1 days' acting by all accnts. one day !

" does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you mr garrison ? ...not for one moment"

Of course, Alexander will be when he stops blaming the gays and ethnics for everything that's wrong with the world. Naturally. I should really see Salvador. It's got James Woods and it's not a revisionist take on American history. Whew.

Yes, Sutherland was great. Though I really wish they'd given John Candy more scenes.

That documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and the follow up are also worth watching if you are interested in the Kennedy assassination. I think Stone nicked more from it than he would want to admit.

still a really good movie!

That's what I always say, too.

This pitch is copyright, btw.

(I must have time on my hands)

(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)

(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)

it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah

the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)

hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards

plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it

Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.

The motorcade sped on...

i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds

Or just read Posner's book.

Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.

I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).

obviously JFK complete and utter bunk as history, though of course donald sutherland makes the craziness seem almost plausible for a split second. one GOOD thing the movie did do was inspire the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that got out a lot of previously classified documents and historical information about the era.

and i agree with gear the movie is hilarious.

people like that shouldn't watch movies!

"oh go back to sleep, Jim"

"Dammit Liz, I been sleepin for three ye-ahs"

who could forget the scene where bacon, jones, and pesci are parading about painted in gold watching homoerotic silent 1920's sports footage!

Apparently Earl Warren helped to arrange the desegregation of schools due to the outcome of Brown v. Board of Education, which is cool but fuck that guy

I heard an interview with the late Clint Hill yesterday, recorded 2022... he was still absolutely haunted by what he considered his failure to protect them, that he wishes he had taken the bullet instead of the President. I hope he's at peace now.

Fuck yeah!

Another witness dies…when will people realize what’s really going on here?

The truth is on your side, bubba!

I just hope i get a break

I just stood there watching.

The driver had stopped.

I don't know what was wrong with h-i-e-m.

It's not just about you - and your well-being and your two cars and your kitchen and your TV and "I'm jes fine honey." While our kids grow up into a shithole of lies! Well, I'm not "fine" about that. My life is fucked, Liz! And yours is too!

see, if i'm eliminated, there won't be any way of knowing ANY bit of truth pertaining to my situation! and consequently, a whole new form of government is gonna take over this country-- yeah!! and i know that i won't live to see you some other time.

Jacobin interviewed Oliver Stone.

The world's least appealing three-word clause.

xxp was re-watching this yesterday and I was really feeling that Jack Ruby quote.

There are lots of different clues out there, they’re in different places. It takes a computer or a Sherlock Holmes to bring all those facts into one space. If that were done, by a language model for a gigantic computer to put all this together, then people could understand.

Certainly its eloquence comes out of nowhere and is fascinating coming from this source.

My trick has the flu. Should I watch it tonight or

6:30 pm on a Friday night? Not exactly fresh blood we're sniffing.

yes. well, no! no, because there were others. there were others: there were admirals.

― difficult listening hour, Friday, May 17, 2019 1:25 PM

underrated line

The Justice Department denied this office access to the autopsy photos. When we finally get a court order to examine Kennedy's brain, in the hopes of finding from which direction the bullet came, we're told—by your government—that the President's brain has disappeared.

That's not all that's disappeared. With it, the concept of justice.

You got an hour to solve the case while I get the kids in bed. Then you're mine. Mr. Kennedy will have to wait til mawnin'.

but then they didn't have sex til RFK got shot.

watched this over a couple nights with the kid, who is now old enough to handle it (though he covered his face during the Zapruder film and autopsy scene, i've seen it enough times to know when to warn him.) have to admit the Garrison closing argument hit a little harder in the current context, ambushed by unexpected emotion etc.

it's up to you!

The truth is on your side, bubba!

Do you have the balls enough to tell your son that Oswald was probably the lone shooter?

Do I have to spell it out for you?

Lee Oswald was no ordinary soldier.

He was in military intelligence, that's why he was trained in Russian.

It was no accident he was in Russia.

when it smells like it, feels like it, and looks like it, you call it what it is: fascism

i find it kinda interesting, maybe an edit flaw, that Clay Shaw's name was mentioned before they tied him to Clay Bertrand, when talking about who introduced former General Charles Cabell when he came to New Orleans. One scene before Broussard meets his confusingly Clay Shaw clone mob pal Joe, played by J.J. Johnston.

Jamelle Bouie is in the cult:

https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3mdywpwpfqc22

Lou: "Boss, the Vice President's appointed Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren to The Commission."

Jim: "Oh no! How bad?"

Lou: "There's no word yet but they think he's the head"

Jim: "Come on Lyndon, there's still a chance damnit!"

Cronkite: "From Washington DC - the flash, apparently official, Sacred Cow, Earl Warren, has been appointed head of The Warren Commission, at 1 pm Central Standard Time, some 38 minutes ago."

Jim: "God I'm ashamed to be an American today."

https://bsky.app/profile/theonion.com/post/3mkdjf6zxz72n

I suppose I could use a pot of hot coffee and a few packs of Luckys.