Eva Green is the EU James Bond is the resistant Commonwealth...
― milo z, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
no, i dont, thank god xp to alex
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Bond wasn't the best thing to reach for here, DN.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
It's okay I knew that already. Enjoy your life!
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
cold war vintage spy movies, are there POLITICS in there? lol u guys are paranoid!!
― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah guys there's no politics in James Bond roflz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
when the fuck did i say there werent politics in JB movies
goole are you seriously some kind of soviet spy sent here from the past
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
you are either a moron or running an argumentative shell game to waste my afternoon
― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Got it, there are politics in JB movies, but deeznuts doesn't think about or want to talk about them!
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
wait so something's only political if it accomplishes something? this is a very novel definition of "political"
by "novel" I mean "wrong"
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
keep the lolz coming guys
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i hate this thread because it is making me remember my 3 semesters of intro to lit crit back when i was a lol english major
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean this is what you said:
ok, but realistically, the supposed politics of a movie dont mean jack shit
...unless you're discussing the politics of a movie
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
"but they won't change anything!" who fucking cares?
like those terrible moments where someone would raise their hands and make the trenchant point that a communist analysis couldn't be right for this text because communism wasn't even INVENTED yet, DO YOU SEE?
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
if you're a sociopath tho you can just eye the person making that point and know that they're an easy mark
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
3 semesters??
― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
"but wait, joseph conrad went to africa so theres no way he could possibly be racist!"
― max, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
-- Alex in SF, Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:26 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
-- J0hn D.
thank you, thank you
this is my point exactly: why the fuck does the 'SERIOUS BUSINESS/(politics)' of it matter if it DOESNT ACTUALLY MEAN SHIT
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
oh yes Carleton college was v v into the lit crit at that point. i should correct to say 3 trimesters, because we were still on some nutjob olde masters version of what a proper college should do. assholes. xpost
― BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link
why would you discuss the meaningless politics of a movie guy xp
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
how could you not watch a movie about young men exiting life, becoming violent, and blowing shit up, and not be reminded of a thing or two out there in real life. seriously this takes no heavy lifting at all.
― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
yes. it strikes me that it would take more effort to maintain a "this has no resonance to real life whatsoever" stance than the reverse!
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Why would you discuss the meaninglessness of discussing the meaninglessness of the politics of a movie?
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
we're through the looking glass here people
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
alex/goole: where did fight club influence jack shit, other than a few dumbasses on this planet starting fight clubs, & were is your evidence for this
goole et al where is the evidence that fight club influenced mcveigh/osama/atta etc & if it isnt around then wtf are you talking about except some bizzarro hypothetical bullshit that doesnt actually exist
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT INFLUENCE
― goole, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
or at least i'm not. and since i can read, i don't think anyone else is either.
"Why would you discuss the meaninglessness of discussing the meaninglessness of the politics of a movie?"
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link
if youre not talking about influence than why do you give a fuck about anything other than how exciting the visuals/sounds etc are, or do you not get that thats sorta the idea with fincher at his best
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
no, it's not your point exactly. meaning is not construed by, nor reliant upon, nor really concerned at all with results. it's meaning. it's a separate sphere. I don't know why I'm bothering to explain this to you. yet here I am. "it's not going to accomplish anything" doesn't mean the same thing has "it doesn't mean anything," nor is it an 1) interesting or b) insightful criticism of anything. At all.
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:53 (fifteen years ago) link
or to put it another way, ABORTION TIME.
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link
"if youre not talking about influence than why do you give a fuck about anything other than how exciting the visuals/sounds etc are, or do you not get that thats sorta the idea with fincher at his best"
Mind-boggling stupidity here^^^
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah & 'meaning', whatever the fuck that ultimately means, in cinema & literature & music, takes a serious backseat to the means of its expression, which is what the debate should be centered about xp
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
hating on directors/novelists/rock stars/rappers/actors/poets because of their perceived politics is stupid
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link
You have a degree in point-missing, don't you?
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link
state frankly for my retarded ass what your point is, then
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link
deez, what about, say, social realism? are we to ignore the politics of the grapes of wrath? (just curious how far you're willing to take this)
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link
I tried real hard to spell out just how wrong this is but it blew up the spreadsheet
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
"he's not going to actually negatively impact the world! so, you can't complain about his odious politics!" wtf facepalm
Why bother? Seriously you haven't shown the faintest ability to comprehend even the simplest sentences posted above (many of which have been dumbed down CONSIDERABLY in the hopes that you would somehow get it).
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Posted by others btw. I have contributed nothing of value on this thread.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link
where is kitten imagebomb
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought grapes or wrath was boring as fuck & i imagine most people do - as literature its dry, as politics its been done better, fuck the grapes of wrath its a fucking joke
dude j0hn i listen to & love your music, would you appreciate it if people took some kind of political razor to your songs? when you write do you have this in mind in any way whatsoever? im asking sincerely.
-- J0hn D
hahaha wow, u can not be serious here
do u hate like rimbaud, for example?
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link
alex i love you & all but the simplest statements in this thread often seem to be pretty stupid ones to me
― deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I think you're confusing politics with ideology, deeznuts. If by "politics" we mean "commentary on the state of the world," then how the fuck COULDN'T you argue that discussing it is irrelevant?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link
er, COULD
but arent the "politics" of something part of it's aesthetic effect, even by your standards? light and noise are moved into coherent patterns that take part in the semiotic systems around us....
on the other hand, you could read Poe's "Philosophy of Composition"
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link
xp That sentence broke my brain.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Hah okay COULD makes a lot more sense.