2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Analysis: "Well, this night will certainly go down in the history of debate. Who would have guess that Barack Obama would stoop to using the phrase 'cum dumpster'?"

kenan your posts in this thread are terrible

if clinton goes very negative on him, i don't think obama's just gonna sit there and take it. he'll throw an elbow or two.

dude kenan reign it in a little sheesh

No basketball analogies allowed with Obama. Leave that to Rove.

Does anybody still (or did they ever) change their mind based on a televised debate? I can't recall one that didn't have two clear winners, depending on what channel you were watching.

Does anybody still (or did they ever) change their mind based on a televised debate?

There's this Nixon/Kennedy thing you might have heard about.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=kica8hmSdAM

Does anybody still (or did they ever) change their mind based on a televised debate?

not since Lincoln and Douglas.

my guess is that clinton will attack based on minor inconsistencies found in his record, obama will counter that she has distorted his record for political gain.

also, i would bet obama mentions his approx. 1 million individual donors at some point

There's this Nixon/Kennedy thing you might have heard about.

Yes, I have heard it mentioned. Didn't Nixon, like, show up drunk and forget to shave or something? That doesn't happen anymore.

Is it time for desperate measures yet? Cleavage, leg?

The debates are never on my NPR station...

-- Eppy, Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:37 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

No, I mean NPR held a debate a couple months ago that wasn't televised and broadcast only on NPR.

where do the candidates stand on the issue of lord custos parodies?

That is one instance in which I am very pro-death penalty.

Is it time for desperate measures yet? Cleavage, leg?

I don't think Obama will have to resort to that.

lol

SO DID JOHN MCCAIN HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH A LOBBYIST? DETAILS PLZ, THX.

deej goes negative on keenan!

I really have to stop googling everything I think of - thank god it's fake (right?) :-(

http://www.chickchatradio.com/ee/images/uploads/hillary_clinton_boobs_bill_cleavage.jpg

america is not ready to elect a buxom president

hillary is ok though cuz her rack is kinda small

you guys aren't really helping to disprove the "anti-Hillary people are sexist" meme

true - I'm not voting though (a foreigner is I)

kenan your posts in this thread are terrible

-- deej, Thursday, 21 February 2008 21:09 (37 minutes ago) Link

^this

That NYT "bombshell" on McCain is much ado about nothing. The affair is the story, and other than gossip/anxious fears by McCain's advisors, I see no evidence of it in the article. If the NYT has the goods, they should have disclosed them. If not, why publish the article?

You mean you don't love stuff like "Who would have guess that Barack Obama would stoop to using the phrase 'cum dumpster'?" and "I fear that Hillary would counter by wearing a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader outfit. *shudder*"? xp

they didn't want to get slapped with a libel charge? beats me.

and 'didnt nixon show up to the debate drunk and unshaven?'

where would be we without kenan's well-informed opinions on political history

ha, to think everyone thought the bombshell-in-waiting was about edwards.

on a side note, NYT DOWNLOADS ON MCCAIN is one of the more nonsensical drudge headlines

Article -> discussion/opinion/doubt = win
Correction -> too late, nevermind

(see that "Al Qaeda used female suicide bombers with Down syndrome!" -> worldwide headlines & shock. Anyone see the "they didn't have Down syndrome after all, says US army" article yesterday? Nope? Of course not, that's not headline news anymore.)

It's just like Drudge's story about John Kerry and his campaign staffer, except that it happened.

Nixon insisted on campaigning until just a few hours before the first debate started; he had not completely recovered from his hospital stay and thus looked haggard, sickly, underweight, and tired. He also refused makeup for the first debate, and as a result his beard stubble showed prominently on the era's black-and-white TV screens.

ok, not drunk. But not tanned, rested, and ready, either.

point to kenan

not

they didn't want to get slapped with a libel charge? beats me.

So don't run the story. Or do more investigative work before you run the story. Or defend yourself from a lawsuit based on McCain's status as a public figure, which normally makes defamation much harder to prove.

Here, the NYT says they stand by the story, and they waited to run it until they felt it was "ready," in a journalistic sense. But there's nothing to it. A few McCain staffers became worried that McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist he spent time with. That's . . . it?

so is wolf blitzer moderating tonight?

xxpost party on, garth.

I'm sorry for being disgusting and sexist this afternoon. Not on top of my game. Actually, I'm going to go home early.

I keep reading -- e.g., in Josh Marshall's TPM blog -- that there's likely more here and the NYT hasn't yet written the whole story.

But it isn't billed as the first part in a series. And if it's not the first in a series, why not put your cards on the table? If they're worried that they don't have enough to overcome a defamation lawsuit, maybe the NYT shouldn't publish it.

And I'm no McCain defender. Just seems wrong to me.

Hello pigfucking!

LOL. Yes, that would be a good story. Start the rumors now.

doodz what they reported wasnt nothing.

multiple former mccain staffers were worried he was having an affair w/a lobbyist whos clients gave him money and rides on their airplanes and for whom he wrote two letters to the fcc which the fcc commissioner deemed to be inappropriate. when mccain was confronted abt the relationship he admitted it needed to stop. all this was verified my multiple sources.

and this from john mccain whos main pitch is that hes the cleanliest guy in the biz.

the times then goes on detail many other shady mccain dealings w/lobbyists - putting the story in context.

you can take legitimate issue w/the use of anonymous sources. tho the times does claim to have two main informants and multiple corroborating witnesses.

the fact that they dont posses the bedsheets is a little beside the point. this is an article abt what total bullshit the virtuous mccain myth is. and i am personally v pleased to see anyone in the press question their mccain-crush.

nyone see the "they didn't have Down syndrome after all, says US army" article

yes I did read this. Al Qaeda only slightly less monstrous than thought! Still down with raping young boys, beheading innocents, and shooting corpses in the testicles though, last time I checked.

Iraq slightly less monstrous than having WMDs.

the fact that they dont posses the bedsheets is a little beside the point.

CAN THEY PRODUCE THE "STAINED BLOUSE" OF THIS SCANDAL, PLZ? WE'RE WAITING.

http://kxan.images.worldnow.com/images/209224_G.jpg

this is in tx, btw

hey that looks like Obama's logo