ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

The sequel is very good. Just got out. First is better, but instead of merely recreating the plot they interwove a connecting storyline before and after the events of the first. The first was better as the thrills were more subtle and this one was more abrupt...but this is a B plus for sure

and the 'R'-rated ROTLD3 is just an insult to Screaming Mad George's insane FX. love this movie!

― babytown frolics (Mr. Hal Jam), Friday, October 22, 2010 1:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah, the uncut version is the only way to go. great movie, but a little bogged down by teen angst whinge.

watkins did descent 2 after eden lake, is he ready for auteur status

― mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:30 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

is this worth a look? figured it for a cheap cash-in. eden lake pissed me off to no end, but i respect the craft.

and lucky mckee OTM. didn't love red, but on the basis of may and the woods, i will happily watch anything the dude does.

I thought "Rogue" (the giant croc movie from the "Wolf Creek" guy) was surprisingly solid. Good acting (Radha Mitchell, Sam Worthington ...), and good effects.

Watkins didn't direct Descent 2, just wrote it.

okay, so against my better judgment, i watched the human centipede tonight w/ a horror fan friend who brought over the DVD. annnnnd ... i don't quite know what to say. i didn't like it, but i respected and "appreciated" it a hell of a lot more than i thought i would. first half hour is marvelous: hilarious and bizarre. echoes of david lynch in the uneasy mix of surreal camp, plastic awkwardness and slick suspense. dieter laser (!!!), who plays dr. heiter, our conjoinment enthusiast, is marvelous, just fantastic. he's up there with udo keir's dr. frankenstein and david gayle's dr. hill (reanimator) in the mad scientist sweepstakes. a display that klaus kinski would be proud to call his own. but, man, i was not entertained by the movie's 2nd & 3rd act descent into remorseless, annihilating bleakness. it's funny at first, then ghastly, and finally just depressing, and that's not my idea of a good time. if it was me, i'd take the film's first 30 or 40 minutes, roll credits and call it a day. don't have much need for the grueling follow-through.

honestly, if anybody's seen it, i think you could take the film's one "deleted scene", a jaw-dropping dance number, show only that and call it a day. wraps up everything worthwhile about the movie in a nice little two-minute package.

had to play some walter/wendy carlos afterward to clear my mind. felt as though i'd been soiled.

i want to see Human Centipede but the stupid red box here isn't stocking it

do you know if the ROTLD3 and 'Land of the Minotaur' on Netflix are the uncut versions? the R1 DVDs for both are severely edited. it makes a huge difference. the only reasons to watch LOTM are for Eno's score and for the exploding cultists during the climax. you will hear the former, but not see the latter, if this is the same print that BCI released as part of their 'Exploitation Cinema' double feature (with Norman J. Warren's sweet 'Suspiria' homage, 'Terror').

"Minotaur" must be the uncut one, then. I watched it yesterday and pretty much failed to extract any drops of enjoyment from it til the cultists started blowin' up. That scene is as awesome as the foregoing 70 minutes are dreary.

I preceded that on instawatch with The Crimson Cult, a clunky sub-Hammer joint which totally delighted me anyway. Give me a small town in England dominated by a secret murder cult and sufficient atmosphere of solemnity, namedrop 'The Great God Pan' and Hern The Hunter, and I'm happy.

okay so, in full flight from human fucking centipede, i watched rogue and triangle last night. enjoyed both, though neither struck me as great.

rogue is a killer croc picture from greg mclean, who directed wolf creek a couple years back. interesting to contrast the two, cuz while they're both "survival horror" pictures, they're very different in tone. where wolf creek was crushingly bleak and pitiless, rogue is a much more friendly piece of work. it's closer to a man-vs-nature adventure tale in the spirit of jaws than what i'd usually call a horror movie, but it strays far enough into body count territory to qualify. more than anything, i was impressed by the location photography in the film's first half. rogue spends more time developing sympathetic characters and impressing us with lovely scenery than it does grinding our noses into the spectacle of human suffering. i appreciate that. like many almost-there horror films, it goes a bit too far over the top in its frantic final act, but mclean does a great job of keeping the tension cranked throughout. probably could have used a bit more of wolf creek's sadistic vigor, but certainly worth a look.

triangle is harder to summarize. it's a puzzle film, one that asks you to sort out what exactly is going on, and keeps upending whatever understanding you do manage to cobble together from moment to moment. that said, it's never quite as puzzling as it seemingly intends to be, and leaves a few too many loose ends dangling to be entirely satisfying. a small group of weekend pleasure boaters are stranded at sea by a freak storm and seek refuge on a huge, ancient and seemingly abandoned ocean liner that happens to drift by. then things get weird. want to say more than i have, but it's difficult to discuss the film without spoiling it, and it's the sort of thing one should approach with as little advance warning as possible. (i will say that it bears a suspiciously strong resemblance to a superior recent puzzle film that you should probably watch instead, but that's as far as i'll go in that direction...) despite a few misgivings, i liked triangle and had fun watching the pieces fall into place. it's far more clever, suspenseful and ambitious than most contemporary horror films, and that alone is enough to recommend it.

I liked Triangle quite a bit!

Anyone watching Dead Set on IFC this week? Caught the first of five episodes last night and think it has potential.

http://www.e4.com/deadset/

continuing a brief horror kick/life avoidance routine, i watched two more horror films last night, both recommended in this thread:

first up, dead snow, and i'll keep in character as a picky-ass fun hater in saying that it was okay. a slick, professional and well-executed splatter comedy with solid performances and decent gore. but, man, it just isn't really my kind of movie. dead snow looks great and does the job, but there's no soul, vision, or personality to it. i suppose these are generic complains that apply to most 21st century horror films (the ones with commercial ambitions, anyway). filmmakers seem to believe that all the best horror films have already been made, and their only remaining task is to refine and recombine the established conventions in a marketable manner. this bums me out. i want a spirit of invention and ambition, the sense that the future of horror hasn't yet been mapped out. i dunno... i'm criticizing this perfectly respectable and entertaining popcorn horror flick for not being something entirely different, something it never intended to be, and i know that's not fair. but it helped crystallize and explain my lukewarm response to rogue, another fine but unremarkable pop movie that i felt i should have liked more.

next, the last house in the woods, a low-budget italian flick produced for (or at least distributed by) ghost house. i give credit to writer/director gabriele albanesi for putting my petty gripes about rogue, triangle and dead snow in context. TLHITW makes those films look like visionary masterpieces -- or at least gives me cause to appreciate their intelligence, craft and basic pop appeal. the title here provides a fine roadmap to the filmmakers' intentions: straight-up 70s exploitation homage, with nods to hooper, fulci and argento. rapey misbehavior, torture, deformity, mutilation and family depravity rule the day. there's some good here, including the three lead actors (a young couple and a mysterious stranger), evocative music that nails the 70s italo vibe, and a wonderfully bizarre conclusion. but getting to those last 20 minutes is such a goddam chore. the direction is flat, the photography and camerawork dull at best, and the film never generates much tension or interest. a real disappointment.

just watched Obayashi's House and holy shit is all i can say
it's amazing. not so much a horror movie i guess but man it is CHAOTIC

thought triangle was... OK. not a fan of 'recursiveness' on the whole tho

Saw The Loved Ones a couple of nights ago, fucking great! The audience was yelling and screaming, it was fantastic. Got to love projected high school dance fantasies.

just watched Obayashi's House and holy shit is all i can say

want to see this SO DANG BAD! played at a local theater a month or so back, but i missed it wah. poster's amazing too.

Watching this dead set thing Darin mentioned on IFC right now, and it's pretty ok!

house came out on dvd about three days ago. You're gonna love it.

fuck yes. adding it to cue with a vengeance.

so, tonight i watched another film that got positive marks in this thread: splinter. basically a monster attack movie set in a remote gas station, with the creature infecting/incorporating its victims in much the same manner as john carpenter's "thing". like several of the films i've watched lately, it's a slick, commercial production that lacks the ambition and oddball flair of my horror favorites. nevertheless, i liked it quite a bit. the filmmakers manage a nice balance of suspense and action on an obviously limited budget, and though there aren't any starmaking performances, it's stronger than most b-movies in the acting and character development departments. plus, although it's never terribly scary, splinter comes through with plenty of grue and good old-fashioned practical effects. very little obvious CGI and lots of grisly special makeup = AGL, especially in this day and age. nothing mind-blowing, but worth a look.

feel in retrospect that i went too hard on rogue and triangle. neglected to mention the former's excellent ensemble cast (including sam worthington, on the verge of his big breakthrough) and triangle has really stayed with me. want to see it again, now that it's had a couple days to settle.

Dead Set is that Charlie Brooker zombie Big Brother thing? I remember being not that impressed, but then I've had it up to here with both Brooker and zombies.

"rapey misbehavior, torture, deformity, mutilation and family depravity rule the day."

quoting myself on the last house in the woods, but i've been thinking about this for the last couple days. the insistent equation of evil with deformity (and age and ugliness) is horror staple going back to nosferatu, hell to shakespeare. it almost always bothers me. it bothers me a little when it's just sort of there, as it is in LHItW, and it bothers me a lot when there's a kind of equivalency suggested, as in wrong turn (backwood mutants flick w eliza dushku). this isn't limited to horror of course. you see just as much of it in kids' animated adventure films, in sci-fi, in fantastical genre films of all sorts. still, it's no less a significant part of horror's core identity.

i'm not outraged about it, or even wringing my hands, really. i'm only disappointed that this formula isn't more frequently inverted, subverted or just plain addressed. would like to see a few more lovely villains and hideous protagonists. suppose there's no money there...

"...is a horror staple going back to..." duh

Yr behind too hard on LHITW. Or maybe I'm too forgiving of all its shortcomings because the *SPOILERS* twist that turns the would-be rapists into reluctant rescuers felt completely fresh and inspired.

Behind = being.

Has anyone seen Descent 2? Planning on watching that one tonight.

I thought the first ep. of Dead Set had some good scares - looking forward to watching the rest back to back this weekend.

Really didn't dig "Splinter" as anything more than a minor distraction. Now "Slither," on the other hand, I can really rep for.

Slither is all time great.

Watched Splinter and (lol) Saw VI last week and I think I enjoyed Saw VI more o_O. Splinter wasnt bad but it was sorta instantly forgettable, absolutely nothing whatsoever in there that hasnt been done a ton of times before, and much much better.

Saw VI was better than 3 4 and 5, which isnt saying much but it was an ok turn yer brain off sorta movie.

haven't seen slither, I guess I should huh

i think its the only horror comedy from the last 10 years that really nails it, tbh

meaning horror first w/comic elements. shaun of the dead is pretty great, but its a comedy w/horror elements if you get me

I gave up on the Saw series after a late night viewing of IV where I realized they expected me to remember both the first and last names of characters, but I've been tempted to rewatch them all in advance of the new one.

I almost admire how they've created this byzantine plot instead of just having Tobin Bell live and grab new, unrelated people in each movie. I'd be more likely to admire it if they didn't hinge this plot around actors like Costas Mandaylor.

it's weird, I generally avoid horror/comedy because when it's bad it's dire, but some of my fave films are ones that pull it off (e.g. return of the living dead). I'd really like to know what a jjjusten makes of sexykiller but it is not on netflix.

anyone who makes it past saw 3 is a strong man imo, that movie is fucking terrible.

yeah i agree re: horror/comedy being a pretty dicey proposition most of the time, but when its doen well (slither, severance) its great.

i dont know anything about sexykiller, but am curious - not on dvd yet?

"Severance" was pretty solid, and I seem to recall the ending being ridiculous is a satisfying sort of flame. I think flame throwers and machine guns play a funny role?

"Slither" really underscores the fact that Nathan Fillion should be a big star.

Nathan Fillion is currently starring in his own police procedural on ABC

only R2 PAL, jj.

'Slither' was only necessary while 'Night of the Creeps' was out of circulation.

Yr behind too hard on LHITW. Or maybe I'm too forgiving of all its shortcomings because the *SPOILERS* twist that turns the would-be rapists into reluctant rescuers felt completely fresh and inspired.

did like the conclusion. not the evildoers explanation for their behavior (which made no sense), but the surreal quality of the last 15 minutes or so, and especially the weirdly redemptive moments that we close with. problem was that i didn't much like the movie that got us there.

i'd agree with those above who found splinter pretty average & forgettable. it is/was. it's certainly not as clever as triangle or as well-constructed as rogue, and it doesn't do anything that others haven't done a hundred time before (and, yeah, better). but i enjoyed it for what it was. maybe i was just in the right frame of mind...

think ahma try Cropsey tonight, which looks pretty odd/horrific/verite

re: Cropsey. What could have been a fascinating exploration of urban myth was mishandled by novice documentary filmmakers too easily swayed by sensationalism. The resulting movie amounted to little more than a mediocre episode of Cold Case. i believe that Brancaccio and Zeman set out to uncover the roots of Cropsey, a fearsome figure whose legendary misdeeds traumatized the children for Staten Island for generations. Tracing the legend's origins back to the closing of the Willowbrook psychiatric facility (the same corrupt State-run hospital exposed on TV by a young Geraldo Riveira), Brancaccio and Zeman are quickly distracted by the case of Andre Rand, an ex-employee accused of abducting and murdering a local girl. They abandon the roots-of-myth angle to do some amateur sleuthing, unsatisfied by the circumstantial case that has kept Rand incarcerated Upstate. Crackpot eyewitnesses and evasive law enforcement figures lead them on a wild-goose chase through Staten Island's alleged occult underworld. The enigmatic and manipulative Rand, seeing an opportunity for publicity, entices the naive filmmakers with jailhouse communiques promising a tell-all interview, only to renege repeatedly. Meanwhile, we're thinking, "wasn't this supposed to be about Cropsey?" It was all (sort of) interesting, but ultimately so unfocused and pointless.

There are some great lists in this post put together by a friend of mine and D3nnis C00per's

http://denniscooper-theweaklings.blogspot.com/2010/10/lux-presents-2010-lux-than-zero.html

pretty accurate description of cropsey there, unfortunately.

I dig del toro's list

xp

1. Frankenstein (1931)/Bride Of Frankenstein (1935)
Two of the most brilliant films ever made. Paradise lost – never regained. Karloff embodies the plea of Man in a way few have ever done. Whale is in a state of grace as a filmmaker.

2. The Birds (1963)/Jaws (1975)
The two greatest “malignant nature” horror films. Horror is meant to unsettle man’s place in creation, physically or spiritually. Both films succeed admirably at this.

3. The Shining (1980)/The Innocents (1961)
Two of the best “haunted house” movies of all times. In both instances, the scariest edifice is the human mind.

4. Vampyr (1932)/Nosferatu (1922)
The vampiric doctrine concerning the corruption of soul and body is perfectly represented by these two films. One presents us with a skeletal parasite, harbinger of the plague, and the other one with the vague spectre of impending death.

5. Alien (1979)/The Thing (1982)
The two best Science-Fiction/Horror hybrids. In both instances, the irrational horror elements rise above the scientific conceit and throw rational men and women into a paroxysm of terror.

6. Night Of The Hunter (1955)/Don’t Look Now (1973)
Two terrifying fables. Childhood as horror. Tales of innocence endangered or lost in mazes of mortar or trees.

7. The Tenant (1976)/Possession (1981)
Two parables about the dissolution of the self. The horror of an uncaring cosmos landing on the doorstep of domestic life and exposing social theatrics through overwhelming horror.

8. Martin (1977)/Let the Right One In (2008)
Two tales of youth angst as vampiric malady. Unglamourized tales of infinite loneliness and scavenging in the fringes… yet terribly poetic and fragile.

9. They Came From Within (Shivers) (1975)/Night Of The Living Dead (1968)
Two tales about the sudden loss of humanity by the pulsating drive of either hunger or lust. Ambulating sacks of flesh that ache with insatiable apetites. Hell is the others indeed.

10. Eraserhead (1976)/The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
Two tales of modern anxiety that manage to show us just how uncivilized our social structure really is. Tales of horror within the patriarchal structure that demonstrate that the most horrible place on earth is home.

K guys you have abt 10 minutes to tell me which of these is the scariest/goriest/most disturbing (most intense, basically)

• Deadgirl
• Shallow Ground
• Below
• Antibodies
• something else, new or old, that I can find on Netflix Streaming

Deadgirl hands down