OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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Why is calling someone a "retard" acceptable, but taking the piss out of a black man for something unrelated to his colour isn't?

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

um, several xposts again.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Why is calling someone a "retard" acceptable, but taking the piss out of a black man for something unrelated to his colour isn't?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

how is retard offensive?

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

are you saying being black is like being retarded?

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

they be takin' my Bucket

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

more to the point:

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― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

you've never had a bucket dude

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Though I have vague memories from another thread that it's because some Americans are insensitive to the negative connotations of the word and the way that the mentally ill have historically been treated through stereotyping and insults.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tFdTp_qanE maybe?

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

where do the jar jar binks jokes fit in here?

― river wolf, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

xpost again, obviously. Was in on the Tiger Woods/spaz thread?

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

HI DERE I USED THE WORD RETARD ON PURPOSE TO ELLICIT THAT REACTION YOU WON THE WORLD YOU HORRIBLE MOUTHY STUPID BITCH

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

you're the spaz, spazzo

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

not u allyzay, obv.

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

alisa have you ever called someone an idiot?

― and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

hilariously appropriate xpost there

― dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

piss off limey

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

:D :D :D :D :D :D

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

idiot = comes from the greek 'idios' meaning 'one's own', i.e. one who does their own thing. this can have positive as well as negative connotations.

retard = comes from the latin tardus meaning 'slow', i.e. one who is dull-brained. this can only be negative.

(just to be picky)

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

[image]http://www.mwscomp.com/mpfc/tfgumby.gif{/image]

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

mission accomplished, dickfuck!

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

"YOU HORRIBLE MOUTHY STUPID BITCH"

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/oa048.jpg

― Frogman Henry, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

fuck
http://www.mwscomp.com/mpfc/tfgumby.gif

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

god, i don't know how you Yanks got through the whole Tiger Woods ordeal. Black man describes self as 'spaz', USA ILXors' heads simultaneously implode!

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I'm out.

(I think)

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

we're cool with spaz, you bag of dicks

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mwscomp.com/mpfc/tfgumby.gif

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps you might want to read the thread, Louis? Go on, it'll be fun.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=48326

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

knobjockey

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

lol, illegally delicious riposte!

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

are you saying jockeys are like knobs? YOU SIZEIST DRESSWEARER

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

British English and American English are different? OMG R U SERIOUS?

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

(that was to mr. que)

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

wake me when this thread, inevitably, comes around to tipping.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

(Ailsa you CAN read, right?)

I should actually be explicit here and say that I don't think the bottle opener is like OMG HATEFUL RACIST or anything -- it's just kind of tacky and lame and dumb-headed.

Once upon a time there was a famous black American athelete named Patrick Ewing who had large lips and huge nostrils, and I'd be willing to bet that at some point some artist was working on a caricature of him and then stopped and thought "hey, this image just so happens to kinda resemble a lot of 'hilarious' (and please note totally 'affectionate') images of Africans in this country, so I guess I'll try a new angle here that maybe doesn't" -- that level of tact and basic historical awareness is, I think, all anyone is asking for here. Given the long history of the British and Americans making goofy figurines of those amusing funny-looking folks from other places in the world, I'd like to think that most people would find the bottle opener at least a LITTLE off-putting.

Further to that, there's the thing I was kind of hinting at with the World Cup squad jokes upthread, which is that in my personal experience, I can't say I've noticed any equivalent treatments of athletes (white or black, really) in such exaggerated figurines, and certainly not in figurines intended to serve any purpose other than sitting there and bobbling their heads, and so there actually IS some question in my mind about whether someone would do anything similar with a big-toothed European player. (Like I said, I have yet to see a postbox painted as Wayne Rooney or the Beckham's Bum Bottle Opener.) But that's kind of a side issue.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

LJ knobjockey in this country means a DJ, like John Peel, so that's not an insult.

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

ISSUES WITH COLOUR

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

LJ, do you know who John Peel is, famous Britishes DJ, dead now likes the Fall, y/n?

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Nabisco, I can read. Thanks for asking.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

ok, can you COMPREHEND what you read. i guess that's the nut of the thing.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/slam_dunk/educational_pages/educational_boxes_large/stickybear_reading_comp.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

she can comprehend, she just chooses not to. this is in the venerable tradition of what the greek call "one's own," or "being an idiot."

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

well that's not very blood diamonds of her, is it?

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/61/178842673_0101ed571a_m.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

of course i know who john peel is. my dad brought me up to respect him and i remember the day he died vividly. not just the fall, he was into all kinds of awesome stuff like captain beefheart, the soft machine, mogwai...

now stop patronising me, you blithering cockmaster

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

(Ailsa there was some xposting there, but I seriously don't understand why you keep saying "it was a caricature, he has big teeth, just like Tony Blair" -- as if you're completely missing what people keep repeating over and over, which is that the issue is how the caricature resembles a whole HISTORY of race-caricatures that most of us are not entirely fond of these days. It's not just the teeth, either.)

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

LJ cockmaster in this country means someone who owns chickens, so that's not an insult.

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

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