2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

Maybe it'd fit in better on the PE clusterfuck.

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quato

shudder

Sprinklelicker.

sprinkles not on Hanoi Hilton dessert menu

uh sp

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This is what I was waiting for:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106537/Gallup-Daily-Obama-51-Clinton-40.aspx

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;-) YOU FUCKER, I'd just gone to fetch that.

The whole making a bitter meal thing seems to be...backfiring.

BTW the press will stop coddling McCain eventually. If you wanna fatten a senior for the kill, Dunkin' Donuts good way to go.

JSM apparently likes his sweets

skin tone is surprisingly close

"The things you care about don't really matter. You vote on them because you're bitter and cynical after listening to politicians promise you a free lunch for 25 years and fail to deliver. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I am here to promise you that free lunch!"

McCain calls for summer-long suspension of gas tax

i was just reading about how suspending the gas tax would be like the dumbest thing ever, since that money is usually used for road/highway maintenance and public transportation infrastructure. big surprise there, though.

lol mccain

ah yes from firstread:

Donning my old hat as a transportation reporter, it's worth noting that McCain's call to suspend the 18.4-cent gas tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day also potentially dries up funding to use to pay for highway/public transportation infrastructure.

The 18.4-cent gas tax goes into a Highway Trust Fund, which pays for roads, bridges, subways, etc. So there's a legitimate policy question here: If you suspend that tax, what are you doing to an already-deteriorating infrastructure system? (After all, remember that bridge collapse in Minneapolis/St. Paul, where interestingly the GOP convention takes place in September.)

what is halperin forecasting here?

xp - McCain calls for more bridges to nowhere

Oops: Hillary speech cut short due to something or other

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/14/politics/fromtheroad/entry4014458.shtml

god, George Will is such a hack. After kneeling at Obama's feet for most of the season, he toes the Obama-hates-poor-people line.

Michelle Obama on Colbert tonight. I hope he offers her a doughnut with sprinkles on it.

Obama/Clooney vs. Sprinkles

Re: Colbert

Is Chris Matthews really going to run for the senate in 2010? I hope so, and I hope he loses. That way, Hardball gets a better host and Matthews gets double-burned.

No no no please tell me Michelle Malkin is not calling this thing Cracker-quiddick.

What's even richer is she's coined 'snobama' in the same breath. Um, sorry?

obama poll surge in indiana

How sad is it (re: Malkin) when someone's goal in life is to be an Ann Coulter wannabe?

i've had to watch fox news all day at work and i'm feeling like 'bitter' will never go away

can someone in a sane environment give me a reasonable assessment

Best two recent moments with in-laws (rabid conservatives who long for Frist to sweep in and save the day)...

1. In-laws resigned to moving to Scotland because either Obama or Hillary will win and it's going to suck. You think it's too soon to start printing, "Don't blame me, I voted for Huccabee!" bumper stickers?

2. Me noticing that my father-in-law has a copy of Dan Quayle's book on his living room shelf. I somehow doubt he's read it.

fuck this i'm about to eat rice

as in condoleezza?

no

i'm sick

i think the most interesting thing about bitterflap is what it possibly says about obama's political instincts, or lack of them. leave aside the he-thought-it-was-a-private-setting excuse, because political instincts should tell you there are no such things. he was apparently responding to a question about why he was having trouble connecting in smalltowns. all you have to say in that setting is, "we ARE connecting. we're going out there every day, we're talking to people about their lives and their hopes and their frustrations with this george bush economy, and the ways we can all work together. we are on the ground and we are signing up new volunteers every day." even if it's not true. who cares? instead he goes off on an extemporaneous, sub-tom-frank riff, which was not at all necessary to the situation. that's a lack of focus.

this is the first week since november 2006 that i've thought a republican might win this election.

1. In-laws resigned to moving to Scotland because either Obama or Hillary will win and it's going to suck. You think it's too soon to start printing, "Don't blame me, I voted for Huccabee!" bumper stickers?

Yes, escape the Liberal nightmare by moving to the most leftwing nation in a secular country with socialised medicine and gun-control.

i think the most interesting thing about bitterflap is...

I find it endlessly interesting that no matter how much McCain and Clinton try to convince anyone who will listen that what he said was an elitist utterance, and that news coverage on every network which does the same, seem to be shouting at a wall. Nobody seems to care.

I'm still of the opinion that anybody who thinks mccain could take 2008 is even more resolutely bitter about the world than I am

johnny fever otm, nobody gives a shit. most people still don't even understand what in the world the whole mess is even about without two or three explanations, and then they're still confused, especially as to why it's such a big deal at all

Surely all those small town folks who cling to guns and religion were never in a million years going to vote for Obama anyway. And won't vote for Hillary in the GE either.

by the time we get to november I doubt many people who can understand spoken english are going to bother to show up for Walnuts

(or comprehend translated closed captioning/ASL for that matter)

i spoke with my dad last night about bittergate and he basically feels the way i do, but he said something i haven't seen expressed on this thread yet, nor on the news:

obama wasn't talking TO pennsylvanians, he was talking ABOUT them, in SAN FRAN FUCKING CISCO

my dad believes strongly that if obama had made that speech about guns and religion directly to the people he was talking about, there would be disagreements but a basic level of respect -- instead, he was talking about them, behind their backs essentially

No, actually that's all over Fox, also when he's raised it at what are admittedly his own events in the states under discussion, it becomes part of the dialogue. Fox viewing figures are actually down on previous election cycles I think?

I'm talking to my mom later today, let's see what a working American with a sometime weakness for blaming economic and social problems on the Other and/or tossing the GOP a vote has to say, for other-end-of-spectrum litmus.

haha yeah how did i imagine fox news wouldn't be hammering on the san francisco thing 24/7

My mom always has something to say about these campaign trail memes, which is if the candidate can't quickly repudiate something manufactured by the opponent, it 'becomes true'.

re Fox on SF: nothing like watching a bunch of homosocial ex-fratholes and their liberated-by-poledancing female counterparts go all handbagger about people who drink just as much Starbucks as they do. I'm always amazed by how men like that manage to be all chubby and shrill; the women just suck. Fox are also gunning for Obama because he disparages them specifically. This seemingly extended campaign is actually a huge ratings winner for cable news networks; so as long as they can drum up conflict YAY viewers. The one with the falling ratings is always going to claw hardest but it's diminishing returns. Besides, Murdoch's kiddies seem to be v. interested in Obama so, who knows?

Hillary ad did not choose well from its pool of supporters in casting; any advertising fule knows real fat whiney mumbly people sell no product, be it HRC or cosmetics or food or whatever.

I hope it doesn't all go down in flames on account of one misstatement. I have just been through a similar experience and I have so much sympathy now.

I have just been through a similar experience and I have so much sympathy now.

what now?

The consensus seemed to be that Obama was inching up on Hillary to the point where he might win PA rather than just holding an overall poll lead nationwide amongst Dems. She has thus managed to move the goalposts from 'decisive victory' to 'any win' needed in that state to stay in and people, not media, are kind of sick of it.

Nobody watching this campaign, other than GOP bloggers and cut'n'paste commenters, thinks Barack Obama is anything other than a nice man who had trouble explaining group B to a member of group A who had, in all fairness, asked him what to do, so a desperate Hillary and a lazy McCain hit it.

In the GE whatever Hillary has said against Obama could be mitigated by 'it didn't actually work, so why do you think it will work NOW you doddering douche?'

her whole thing now is that obama can't win - how frustrating for her that the polls don't seem to agree

all you have to say in that setting is, "we ARE connecting. we're going out there every day, we're talking to people about their lives and their hopes and their frustrations with this george bush economy, and the ways we can all work together. we are on the ground and we are signing up new volunteers every day." even if it's not true. who cares?

well, but part of the reason people get fired up about Obama is that he doesn't do this. It's really annoying & frustrating - and also rather condescending, in that it treats ones listeners like children - to say "we ARE connecting!" when the question concerns the people with whom you're not connecting. So people are kinda stoked to hear a guy speak who doesn't just resort to the script. Now, it can be argued, I think persuasively, that Obama is in fact sticking to a script & that it's just not the one everybody else has been leaning on since mmmm '80 maybe. But the point is, it's not the "everybody loves me, because they share my vision for blah blah blah" script that even the dumbest person alive can see through.

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