One day, bitches: the future of the Los Angeles Metro

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the reason we dont have a decent subway system is because the auto industry (and auto-related industries) as well as business interests that would be located near the offramps to the freeways lobbied the shit out of the government to subsidize the freeways, thus gutting the old street car system and leaving the other shattered parts to wither on the vine. the reason why LA is so car oriented is because some short sighted corrupt politicians and business interests made it that way. we're still recovering.

This is why it didn't develop in the middle of the century.

Why do people keep voting against it today, and why hasn't it developed w/ any speed or urgency from 1975 onwards?

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

also:

Is Fairfax considered "westside"?

-- the D Double signal (adamr...), June 14th, 2005 3:54 PM. (nordicskilla)

Fairfax is Hollywood.

-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), June 14th, 2005 3:56 PM. (spencermfi)

no fairfax is def west hollywood

-- Vichitravirya XI (x...), June 14th, 2005 3:58 PM.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll give out my Koreatown citizenship to anybody who wants it. Not West LA, but last night I counted 17 hookers between Beverly and Melrose from the car. They're more endemic than cockroaches.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The KF is in a mini-mall in the smack dab in the middle of the touristy part of Hollywood! That is fantastically ridiculous!

So are many fun things in LA! I actually like it when a cool spot is in a non-descript "mini-mall", that way people who frown on mini-malls avoid it!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer you defend the westside here like you defend lindsay lohan or MIA or nicole kidman elsewhere...instantaneously and incessantly...

I like how everyone here wants to completely deny ...oh fuck it.

Yeah I'm just making it all up. Excuse me as I remove myself from this thread I wish I never started

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Also - what's the southern border of w. Hollywood, or was that already answered upthread?

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Where exactly is Koreatown?

xp-Didn't Dean say he lived in a mall?

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Vik, I would defend people who live on the east side equally.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

haha you fuck'r 'lil a'dam

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

So are many fun things in LA! I actually like it when a cool spot is in a non-descript "mini-mall", that way people who frown on mini-malls avoid it!

-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), June 15th, 2005 4:15 PM. (spencermfi)

Well to quote you upthread: "It just seems like any old concert place to me." I was just pointing out how it differs from many of the venues that I've seen comparable bands in various other cities.

also: Dingleberries lives in da CC.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Koreatown, @dam.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Vik, your generalizations are sweeping, stereotypical and mostly just plain wrong.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax, I was sort of kidding. It is an odd place for a concert venue (I guess), but once inside, who cares?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread reminds me of the argument from one of the older SF threads about all those homeless folks, drug-selling teens and dog-owning metalheads who voted to keep the BART out of Golden Gate Park.

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

replace "Golden Gate Park" with "Marin County".

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

haha you fuck'r 'lil a'dam

you said it!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey guys, this week is my 2nd anniversary as a Califonian!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

try glasgow more?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

if you leave you have to reset, adam.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No more sandals?

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow you really disproved anything I said there Spencer. I hope you guys have fun stuck on the 405!!

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

g: yeah, that was a joke based on marin county thx for calling me on it bro

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
I take surface streets to work!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

All I can really say is that in GTA: San Andreas, the EAST side is way more fun. I realize that this has no bearing on real life, but still...

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

and fwiw the knitting factory is not in a "mini-mall" but in the Galaxy movie theatre thing thats still being rebuilt

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i've done one mission, i just hop on a sanchez and head for the hills.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

my favorite restaurant in LA is in a mini-mall!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

See!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

if anyone saw that Thirteen,/i> movie, thats where the family goes when the 13 year old girl slips away onto the surrounding seedy hollywood streets (ie, where i live)

dean, you wouldn't know anything abt racism would you? i hope your burrito gives you good culture

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax, What is it???

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax, why must you celebrate your ignorance towards videogames so brazenly?

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"mini-mall"
"shopping center"
"whatevs"

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought gygax plays that one game.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The one that's a treat.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

dean, you wouldn't know anything abt racism would you? i hope your burrito gives you good culture

haha what?

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The Knitting factory is totally in a mall. I remember when that mall used to be just a complete ghost town.

And why on earth would I ever be on the 405? I never go east of the PCH.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought gygax plays that one game.

The one that's a treat.

He does!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

And as of yet, he has not taken me up on my offer at a Fifa soccer challenge.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

x^n-post re: Los Angeles: Buying The Concept Of Security

Mike Davis to thread.

V, it's true that this is a well-established meme. I think the issue is that it doesn't line up with many Westsiders' lived experience (e.g., of paying mortgage-level rents to live in nondescript-to-grotty 1beds with shitty carpets in neighborhoods where cool, strong women still feel safer driving two blocks than walking after dark).

LA's recent Jiffy-Pop style real estate bubble exaggerates the effects (incl. gentrification), but the notion of Fortress Westside does seem to lose a bit of currency when we step outside the sociology and urban planning departments onto the mean streets south of Sunset.

There are probably more "gated communities" up the 101 than there are between Sunset and Ventura. I guess what I'm saying is, those gates have always made more sense metaphorically (incl. to Thousand Oaks homebuyers) than in real life. Hence the Concept of Security, but hardly the thing itself.

NIMBYism mostly has to do with noise and inconvenience, and while it's true that wealthier communities have always had the resources to (perhaps frivolously) fight development tooth and nail, once the Beverly Hills' of the world discover a particularly effective legal blocking tactic, the Bellflowers and Gardenas are just as quick to take it up. Which is why we ain't gonna be gettin' any more freeway any time soon...

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I will gut you like a fish!

My favorite LA restaurant is Urasawa.

I am playing Pro Yakyu Spirits 2004 Climax right now, it's unbelievable.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you have that drumming game? Have you played Super Monkey Ball? It's Japanese!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
$250/person! I need to find someone to "treat" me!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I just read about Urasawa, hoping I was getting a good restaurant recommendation. Maybe someday.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I am *STILL* up for Urasawa.

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You can take me when I'm in town. I *might* get the tip.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Vik, in the end all I'm saying is that the "West Side" is hardly some razor-wire bounded monolith. It comprises countless neighborhoods, socio-economic and ethnic groups and it seems like you're making generalizations based on a few very specific areas, few of which are actually even "gated."

Or, Roger completely OTM.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I don't usually consider myself "West Side" although others are free to disagree.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, *cough,* so we all still on for a Friday FAP? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The Knitting factory is totally in a mall.

very true. also my first impression.

― youn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

What would you do
If I punked your whole crew?
Would you run like a bitch from me?
Niggaz don't test
Cause we come from the west
Yes the W-S to the C
Westside!
Westside niggaz
Fuck everybody that used to be down
That ain't down no mo
Y'all niggaz ain't from the best side
Y'all don't know how we puts it down
Trick ass motherfuckers
Let's make it happen, nigga, fuck rappin I'm bellin
With three time felons, nigga, who you tellin?
Doug Lou Ellen that a fool sellin
Thirty-six ounces what that amounts is
A whole chicken finger licken is the rumor
Catch a tumor you say I'm dickin my consumer
Suede Puma's as I walk down Florence
With warrants that don't go to court in Torrance
Tonight I'm buzzin thought I wasn't
Mack 10 and W.C. is like my blood cousins
Eleven strikes from armed robbery to stolen bikes
A nigga likes your motherfuckin Nikes
I shift gears when I see tears
Fuck a record, fuck a movie
I rack my uzi
On boosy niggaz that pretend to be friend to me
We the dopest niggaz on Hennessy in the industry
I did a lick well
I'm in a thick cell
Gold teeth, two motors and pig tails
And when I hear Westside Connection
I get the fuckin erection
So, fuck what you saying, fuck who you tellin
I'm only bellin with some three time felons
Nya, fuck what you saying, fuck who you tellin
I'm only bellin with some three time felons

Rollin till the wheels fall off
A nigga rollin till the wheels fall off
Westside rollin till the wheels fall off
A nigga rollin till the wheels fall off

― something about ice cube getting an erection (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

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