2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

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cold shit

So Hillary is Jesus now?

I love it when James Carville tries to do irony.

It's like him trying to grow hair.

now that the revotes are dead people are starting to say this thing is over. sorry if this was posted already.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton’s campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.

http://thepage.time.com/halperins-take-painful-things-hillary-clinton-knows-%E2%80%94-or-should-know/

“They’re looking ahead and saying: Is it possible this thing is just going to drip, drip, drip, drip — more video? Where does that leave us if he’s our presumptive nominee and he’s limping into the convention and the Republicans are just read to go on him, double-barreled?”

I've been thinking about this. I don't know who unearthed the original videos but presumably there's more out there.

Of course there are, but the LBJ and Clinton pics have balanced that out. People might just get bored of Wright as a whipping boy for Obama or anyone else. It is more than unfair.

It is more than unfair.

I get the sense that this won't stop them.

I didn't think the Corner could startle me anymore, but leave it to John Derbyshire:

I don't get the sensitivity and slack-cutting towards Obama that Charles Murray's post typified. Obama's the enemy — a far-left Democrat. We should be attacking him at every weak point. That's politics.

A pro-Obama emailer whines to me that the Pastor Wright business is "a Swift Boating of Obama." Well, duh!

realpolitik is so fucking refreshing

At least he's honest about it. I appreciate his candor.

It's more direct than Hanson's endless stream of essays all week over there.

dumb question, but if obama wins the primary (and he will, barring some strange unforseen event), will clinton hop on board and help out in the general? or do you think she'll pull a lieberman or even something a little less obvious and continue to try to dig up shit on obama, just cos.

i mean, i don't believe there's much chance of the latter happening, but given how craven she and her campaign have been of late, i start to wonder.

I assume she'd help Obama in the GE, to salvage the Clinton brand, if nothing else. I've seen some blogger speculate that HRC would rather McCain beat Obama in the GE, so the Clinton's maintain control of the Democratic party, but if she sat on the sidelines, I think she'd severely damage her standing in the party.

John Derbyshire is openly racist! I guess you can argue that it's worth paying attention to what the other side is saying, but ugggggggh i'd rather not, and there's definitely no reason to be surprised by anything he says.

Yeah, dig around over the last two weeks on Orcinus. Dave Neiwert's been tracking this shit for a while.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/032208DailyUpdateGraph1.gif

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lol these gallup polls

wtf does that even mean at this point

i mean look at the rest of that graph

it's a waltz man

resilience!

I'd just like it to start looking less like DNA helix okthxbai

http://yeswecanhas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/happycat2.jpg

heh.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/22/211412/654/668/482425

I wish those graphs had error bars

will clinton hop on board and help out in the general?

Would YOU want help from people like this if you were Obama?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22cnd-obama.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Mr. Clinton, in a speech to voters in North Carolina on Friday, said “it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country.”

What I don't understand is how the Dem. party leadership even allows this kind of crap anymore.

gosh they really smell blood the obama camp is jumping at everything, which is exactly what they should do.

This "loving your country" stuff is coming from a guy who got his d*ck sucked in the Oval Office, the ultimate symbol of American democracy, while he was the president - srsly, how can anyone swallow any of this, especially from him?

do people still srsly hold that agin him?? i've only recently 'wrapped my head' around how skeevy the whole thing was. i found it really boring back then for some reason.

i was well attuned to how full of shit the repub leadership by the time impeachment came around. now that was fascinating. Henry Hyde, the rest of those eberts, my own local congressman Jim Rogan who I'd theretofore thought of as generally earnest for a republican, as he'd come to my college to speak where I asked him some lefty question and he batted me down with logic. Jim was religious about taking Clinton down, weird stuff.

I just thought he'd be one of the last to be allowed to talk about loving his country or respecting the voters, considering what he did. But people forgive and forget (or, probably: don't give a shit)

(xpost)

and now the Clintons are (ok, indirectly) campaigning for the republican candidate, ain't that something?

re: Rogan so ironic he got taken out by Adam Schiff, Bill Clinton's brunette doppelgänger.

if i have my districts right

This "loving your country" stuff is coming from a guy who got his d*ck sucked in the Oval Office, the ultimate symbol of American democracy, while he was the president - srsly, how can anyone swallow any of this

Find the joke here.

and now the Clintons are (ok, indirectly) campaigning for the republican candidate, ain't that something?

you're the one playing Ken Starr here

I like Suzy's pussy-cat picture.

guys, Hillary took the initiative in inventing the internet. Barry is too nice to tell you that, but you can bet that your friend Mr. Straight Talk Express will let everyone know that she's a legend in her own mind, and that all you need for verification of her experience and judgment is to ask her extremely trustworthy husband

What I don't understand is how the Dem. party leadership even allows this kind of crap anymore.

no such thing

"So, what's the difference between you and Clinton then?" - Obama's reply: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qUoN-fjvLY

I guess it's just a funny coincidence that the Clinton hatchet men are the "white boys"

Obama's big fairy tale, the press myth re Bill's racial attacks, read about all this and more in Fables of Clinton

Oooh, this sounds like it's going to end with everyone living happily ever after - nice!

In the presidential primary campaign, HRC benefits not just from the demographics of Pennsylvania, but its unique amber-preserved culture.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9165.html

"The Congealed State"

"So, what's the difference between you and Clinton then?" - Obama's reply: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qUoN-fjvLY

-- StanM, Sunday, 23 March 2008 15:54

takes him a while to get on a roll there

But it's like he's dying to say the difference is character, or something blindingly obvious. Also Gabbneb OTM about Straight Talk Express, why else would McCain get chumsy w/HRC?