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If Diddy is Batman, would we get Ma$e as Robin?

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Jermaine Dupri takes the Michael Caine role.

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

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one thing i like about casino royale the novel = bond is a RUBBISH agent who acts like an idiot throughout

he is got out of a tight spot:
i. by the incompetence of a lowly SMERSH agent
ii. by his own skeez at makin a twat of himself
iii. by the incompetent greed of a less lowly SMERSH agent
iv. by the poor briefing of a by-the-book SMERSH agent
v. by the greater honour of a SMERSH agent

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in my copy, page 13 is my favourite viz:
"Satisfied that his room had not been searched while he was at the casino, Bond undressed and took a cold shower. Then he lit his seventieth cigarette of the day and sat down at the writing table..."

"Then he slept, and with the warmth and humour of his eyes extinguished, his features relapsed into a taciturn mask, ironical, brutal and cold."

neat trick!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

The first thing I thought of when I heard about this was Barry Adamson's "007, A Phantasy Bond Theme," which rules.

Oh, yes that is a great reimagining of the theme. Certainly better than Chris Cornell's theme which is almost enough to stop me going to see the film.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

as heretical it might sound to bond fans, i think it's time to go back and just start going through the fleming novels again. pretty much all of those brosnan bond films were useless.

― gear (gear), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the guy from Trainspotting and Ravenous was a good villain.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

that one with denise richards was especially awful

― latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

Here I'd like to note that I didn't say it was a good movie - I said he was a good villain.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

i think pierce brosnan is actually quite a good actor, but he played bond strictly lightweight (maybe because the movies were). i think the idea of brosnan as bond was much better than the reality. it's possible craig could be better than any previous bond with the exception of connery, though i don't believe connery's 'best bond ever' title is unassailable and i don't believe craig is incapable of taking it from him.

― gear (gear), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

he tried to complicate bond slightly, that north korean torture stuff in dad, but generally those movies looked so ugly there wasn't much he could do. i think another reason a bond period piece film might be a good idea (obv it will never happen) besides 'britain as major player on world stage' plausibility is to allow a different approach to technology, in the recent bond the gadgetry's been unlikely in a very dull way ('it's...an invisible car!'). i've seen the others in the theater for some reason so i'm sure i'll see this one, glad to drool over eva green anytime and daniel craig could be a good choice, one reason connery's the best is that he captures bond as sociopath killer as much/well as bond as suave brit tuxfiller - when connery uttered bond quips it was an extension of bond's cruelty and coldness, when other's have done it (following moore's lead obv) it's been an extension of bond's suaveness. from what i can tell from the trailers craig's bond definitely has the thuggish aspect already (and the quips i saw seemed nicely nihilistic), w/ the class aspect to trained in appropriately as the civilized gentleman aspect is bond's front he shows to the world (coldblooded murderer is his reality)(for 'bond' read 'the west' lol). more to the point of the 'franchise' they should take a page from bourne movies (and a history of violence haha)(and maybe 24) and make bond this freakish superfast badass that we only briefly even see in action but when we do we're in terror/awe and then make his delimma/motivation/conflict whatever what happens when being a freakish superfast badass isn't enough. and i'm sure others will disagree but personally i think it'd be better if the villain's plots were strictly macguffins, more mundane, less giant laser that's gonna wipe north america off earth, etc.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno; I think Craig only can be only be so much better than the shit he's given. The last two bond flicks couldn't have been saved with any actor in the lead.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

one reason connery's the best is that he captures bond as sociopath killer as much/well as bond as suave brit tuxfiller - when connery uttered bond quips it was an extension of bond's cruelty and coldness, when other's have done it (following moore's lead obv) it's been an extension of bond's suaveness.

Connery is the best at maintaining cool while surrounded by chaos - which are ultimately my favorite moments in any of the Bond movies because for all of the talk about Queen, country, duty, Bond is also just trying to do his job without getting hassled by SPECTRE or the Soviets. My fave Connery moment (out of many) is the pre-title sequence to Goldfinger when the tanks blow up and everyone in the cantina panics. Bond? He's utterly unflappable casually smoking a cigarette and taking a break before dealing with that unfinished business. He's not fully sociopathic and not completely the suave jokester, just someone who can Get Things Done.

The opposite hold true for Moore's Bond, who's more like a John Steed-type quipping his way through Situations. Moore isn't a Connery-type and shouldn't be, but it's surprising and pretty cool when he does. Fave Moore scene is in For Your Eyes Only (not surprisingly) when he kicks Locque's car over the cliff.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't seen for your eyes only in forever - definitely worth rewatching? i remember seeing those 70s bond flix like crazy on tbs when i was a kid (bond, eastwood, and beastmaster). i'll rewatch a connery bond occasionally but more for 'this is a solid action flick like hollywood used to be able to churn out in its sleep but no more alas' than any attachment to the mythos.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

FYEO was the prime Bond from my childhood, mainly due to HBO's constate re-running.

It's worth seeing again.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

"i remember seeing those 70s bond flix like crazy on tbs when i was a kid (bond, eastwood, and beastmaster)"

haha YES. don't forget bloodsport!!

my favorite bond movie is the one where connery has an operation to give him SLANTY EYES so he can infiltrate a group of japanese bad dudes. i think roald dahl wrote it.

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:25 (nineteen years ago)

i remember that! the villain boiled children and sold them as cookies!

― latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

bedtime

― latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

FYEO was the prime Bond from my childhood, mainly due to HBO's constate re-running.

Yup, just like me. And as Elvis says, the kicking the car scene is just amazing. About the only thing like it in the entire film series is in Dr. No when Connery plugs Strangways in the back, having already shot him once.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

The drawback of course is Dame Judi Dench returning as “M.” Her feminist approach creates too many eye roll moments as she’s so obviously there to compensate for forty years of so-called sexism.

He obviously wasn't aware that there was a female head of the UK secret service before Dench got the role.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

He might eventually twig.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he'll make like a tree!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

FYEO has some excruciatingly good 80s italoflair on the OST. Recommended.

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

which brings up another point about brosnan bond: the soundtracks blow ass, what up broccolis.

― FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

My other fave part of FYEO is at the end with the Soviet general/KGB guy

"That's detente, comrade. You don't have it. I don't have it."

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

the soundtracks blow ass

yeah, i don't remember anything about the music, except for the remixing of the bond theme that occasionally pops up in TND. The title theme isn't too bad, tho, w/ sheryl crow doing the breathy thing.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Why has no one got Alison Goldfrapp to do a Bond theme yet?

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Because Chris Cornell needs teh cash!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

How else could he afford blowouts and styling on all of that hair?

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'd only consider seeing another Bond if was a '50s period piece.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

What if it were set in 1949 or 1960?

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

no dice

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

booo. What was Bond supposed to have done during the war? Some sorta SAS/OSS/SOE thing?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty much, yes. The books establish his earliest work as being just pre-WWII.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

possibly details of his war exploits are contained in the times obit for him in ohmss -- which unfortunately is one of the ones i don't currently own (it's the one where he tries to kill M)

as he is "commander bond" i sorta assume he was naval prior to being secret, and vaguely remember this to be so (but may be mistaken)

1948 is mentioned in CR -- as the date of an agent's assassination prior to the events of the book -- so i would tentatively place these as 1950-52 (date = pub.of book = 1953)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

oops x-post -- ned, details please!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

pah of course the details are on the net

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

HAH i am a genius -- date of events of casino royale established (in goldfinger) (ie CANON) as 1951

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

HAH i am a genius talkin nonsense -- the obit in in "You Only Live Twice" which i DO own

"To serve the confidential nature of his duties, he was accorded the rank of lieutenant in the Special Branch of the RVNR and... ended the war with the rank of Commander"

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

(RVNR = Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve)

and the one where he tries to kill M = man w.golden gun

in my defence this is a pretty mediocre bond which i have not read since i wz about 14, even tho its villain scaramanga has THREE NIPPLES

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Sony sunk $250 million into this? Crazy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think they prefer the term "invested," Ned.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

No doubt.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Saw the trailer on the big screen before Borat the other night, and it got me really quite excited.

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think this will be the best non-Connery Bond movie, but maybe the hype is warping my mind.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve

what did these guys usually do? coastal defense, or did they ship out with the regulars?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Variety review from Todd McCarthy

and here's where the rest of the review will be

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

but final stretch contains two indelible interludes crucial to defining this new incarnation of Bond. Constrained nude to a bottomed-out chair, Bond is tortured by Le Chiffre who repeatedly launches a hard-tipped rope upon his nemesis' most sensitive area,

hey, whaddayaknow, the sequence IS in the flick.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

The things you can get away with when you've got a PG-13.

― The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

perhaps that explains why we don't hear about Bond's illegitimate children?

― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

(re: ball-lashing)

― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

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