DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

I.e. its ridiculous even in an 'aspirations' point of view compared with just setting the. tax correctly

ken, it looks like they realise they've fucked up in that 40-46k window.

Let's start with 3% of this, just to make it fair.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11473352
I make that £210m. Buy a hospital.
Of course, then their incentive to work would go and they'd piss off to Hong Kong. Or something.

it goes w/o saying that bankers can and should eat a dick

given the response in the right-wing press, i think you'd have to admit this is a hard choice.

If you believe whoever it was on the radio this morning, they weren't expecting this kind of response from the right. I'd have thought a raise in income tax would have been harder and fairer, but whatevs. I'm not especially against this, I recognise that there are going to be cuts and I fully expect to be a lot more angry about a lot more things in the future.

("This" in that last sentence being the removal of child benefit from top-taxed people, fwiw)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317800/Theresa-May-steals-conference-bash-tight-fitting-top.html

What awful, awful people in that article.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/aviation_and_space_travel/aviation_space_images/Lancaster_bomber_aircraft_dropping_bombs_1944.jpg

...on the lot of them.

New Statesman currently speculating that cutting housing benefit, capping benefits and the flight of the poor from inner cities would make it a lot easier for the Tories to win seats like Hammersmith and Westminster North where they failed last time around.

well duh, boris 4 life

Yeah, it's sort of like Gerrymandering, but in reverse...

"Letting their hair down: Alan Duncan (left) and (right) Toby Young"

Be a bit difficult for toby young to let his hair down in actuality?

Yeah, the weird thing about this thread is that we're arguing about whether a sensible, phased withdrawal of CB for incomes over the 44k-51k range would be a good thing or not, but *nobody is actually offering such a thing* - instead we're getting a bizzarre situation where people will be asking whether they could turn down their annual pay rise, please.

(Someone upthread said they wanted to see Osbourne et al taking their 3% pay cut - presumably Cameron is doing exactly this? I guess his real income is after-dinner stuff / consultancies in the future)

That would be me. I meant taking 3% of his actual wealth (£4m inheritance), fuck taking a paycut on money he doesn't need.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/oct/04/child-benefit-cuts-uk-statistics

Oh wait not inheritance, trust fund!

Gravel - they only need about a grand and a half payrise to make up for that lost child benefit though. It's not that big a deal.

From BBC news:

Heads given power outside school
Head teachers in England will be able to discipline pupils "any time, any place, anywhere", says Education Secretary Michael Gove.

They will walk around shopping centres at weekends, waving a cane.

Can we ask them to do home visits?

What does this tell us beyond 'this is where the children are'? Take a look at the data and see what you can do with it.

Typical lazy journos.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11476802

Shadow Schools Minister Vernon Coaker accused the goverment of announcing powers that already exist.

wonder how toby young's campaign for his whites-only free school in acton is going

Gravel - they only need about a grand and a half payrise to make up for that lost child benefit though. It's not that big a deal.

Oh right - had no idea it was so little!

No, they'd need more like two grand because of tax.

Whatever, it is not seriously going to damage their aspirations of earning more money in the future. If anything it might increase them.

i'd quite like to have a 2 grand pay rise

^aspirational

yeah me too ken! i'm sure it's on the horizon, any day now

;_; for media people

seriously - after this news i might have to sell my child's diamond encrusted dummy

don't let's get hasty now

rhinestones are tastier anyway

pretty interesting little calculator - http://www.ifs.org.uk/wheredoyoufitin/

The first decile group contains the poorest 10% of the population, the second decile group contains the next poorest 10% and so on. As you can see, you are in the 2nd decile group.

i can look down on someone then

you seem to be doing a pretty good job looking down on the other deciles too DG!

DG is committed to equal opportunities

:D

it would seem that i spit in the face of 45 million people

say it don't spray it

That "where do you fit in" thing is really interesting - guess it's always useful to be told 'you don't have children -> you are massively well-off almost by default'

Party of the Family 'n' shit

Gravel - they only need about a grand and a half payrise to make up for that lost child benefit though. It's not that big a deal.

Oh right - had no idea it was so little!

― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, October 5, 2010 2:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No, they'd need more like two grand because of tax.

― are you robot? (suzy)

With two kids you'd need a £3k rise. Or so says the Daily Mail.

there must be some people who are borderline and would benefit from taking a pay cut

yes

quite a small number of people

ROUGH JUSTICE

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/10/3/1286117708951/David-Cameron-listens-to--006.jpg
Hahaha - FUCK YOU!

That's what he's saying by the way, not me, I'm ever so polite.

When two chins go to war...

I read phttp://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPGted as "phatcatted" until I saw what else had been going down today.