TS: SHOWGIRLS vs. ROAD HOUSE

oh c'mon ned:
"I have a problem with pussy. I always have, and I'm always gonna."

the real problem is Berkley. She acts like she's in a bad movie. That and the wtf contrived scene where her friend gets beat up.

It was actually that wtf contrived scene that prompted my comment!

yeah as I recall it wasn't even necessary for the plot mechanics.

that scene kills off the camp fans - i'm glad it's there because of that; you don't get to just giggle at implications of forced blowjobs and coerced whoredom at the hands of millionaire boat show enthusiasts

i mean, you giggle, but the rape scene retroactively de-gigglefies you, which i think is pretty key

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/06/12/girl-disempowering-nine-films-that-didn-t-do-feminism-any-favors-part-two.aspx

“Do you know what they call that useless piece of skin around a twat? A woman!” And that hilarious quip from strip club “comedienne” Henrietta “Mama” Bazoom pretty much sums up the philosophy towards women in this abortion of a cult classic by screenwriter Joe Eszterhas and director Paul Verhoeven. Sure, I get it...this campy, overwrought drag show bitch-fest about amoral sex worker Nomi Malone (Elizabeth Berkley) is so bad it’s good! And we can all just laugh through the parts where Gina Ravera’s Molly (the only vaguely redeemable or recognizably human character in the movie, and a black woman to boot) gets brutally raped by a loathsome white rock star. (I love it when they act out that part in the drag queen version of the show at my favorite hipster bar!) Garish, ridiculous and aggressively stupid, Showgirls is hard for me to enjoy ironically, since it so clearly embraces and truly believes in its own fetid realpolitik Hollywood philosophy that love is a lie, “art” is whatever makes money, winning is everything, men are scumbags, women are worthless (especially if they’re not hot, naked and young), the world is a shithole, if you’re not clawing your way to the top every single minute (and/or don’t know how to properly pronounce the most expensive status symbol brand names) you’re a fool and a loser and deserve what you get. Yeccch. Showgirls ain't just misogynistic: it pretty much hates everyone. And the feeling is mutual.

Contributors to this article, btw, are "Andrew Osborne, Phil Nugent, Leonard Pierce"

Roadhouse on again last night. When oh when oh when will it get the Criterion double dvd treatment it so richly deserves?

Hahah, I was thinking of reviving this thread today for some reason. Great Neds think alike.

It's always a good time to revive this thread.
It was up for 5 Razzies, including the totally bizarre Worst Supporting Actor for Gazzara which proves, if proof were needed, that they are a complete pile of do-do.

which proves, if proof were needed

Surely 'which proves, if proof be need be'

Road House 2 has my favorite JAKE Busey performance:

http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/rants/RoadHouse2/RoadHouse2-Busey3.jpg

no neon fiddle no cred

Last month at the AVClub, Scott Tobias considered one, then the other.

???

by Preparation Heche

Is there anyone here who thinks this is just an awful, stupid movie?

5:50 AM Thurs July 10, 2008

heheh, some people...

There's no justifying Road House as a good film, exactly, but it's so entertaining that it provokes philosophical musings about how "good" even applies sometimes

Erm, so it is a good film then?

av club goes way too far in rationalizing reasons to like these flicks.

This is actually interesting:

It's a shame that Verhoeven wasn't allowed to explain himself on the DVD, since he gives bar-none the best commentaries in the business

I can't say I've heard any of his commentaries, so is this claim accurate?

well i guess I'M going to be up until 4:05 a.m. est.

thanks, hbo.

Still haven't seen Showgirls, totally love Road House obv.

really need to sit and watch it. i've only seen the edited-for-tv version.

Showgoilz that is

how long was that one, an hour?

like an hour plus 8+ additional hours of ads

"Pain don't hurt."

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:13 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

This thread's revival was a sign. (Perhaps.)

rip that man

Road House is certainly a proud moment for both Ben Gazzara and John Doe. Do you think there were any second takes on this picture?

It was up for 5 Razzies, including the totally bizarre Worst Supporting Actor for Gazzara which proves, if proof were needed, that they are a complete pile of do-do.

Yes, bcz Gazzara doesn't do anything that could be remotely mistaken for acting, nor does he seem to be fully awake in many scenes.

From the iMdB comments section:

Road House is really about the clash between heterosexual and homosexual culture. Dalton doesn't clean up a bar full of roughnecks, he cleans up a straight town that has been overtaken by homosexuals. Now, I don't condone the message, i'm not a super masculine man who hates homosexuals, but if you watch this film and listen to the dialogue you will realize this is exactly what it's about.

Evil is made possible by nothing more than the sanction you give it

omg until the last bit i was like "hmm interesting queer reading of road house" hahaha

He seems to have overlooked that the hero is a ballet/tai chi man.

Remember, 'cocksucker' is just two nouns put together to evoke a response.

(There's a director's commentary where the douchebag says the movie "went into a world no one had ever seen before.")

i am a roadhouse man but after re-viewing showgirls today with a friend i have to say it's pretty incredible. elizabeth berkely is terrible in a bizarrely compelling way.

Also the movie is enhanced if you interpret it as what would have happened to Jessie fromSave by the Bell if she had continued her caffeine pill addiction

http://kotaku.com/5434701/playboy-teases-us-with-the-ultimate-coulda+been-game

This is a vision.

Reposted from Chicago thread because I feel that I must further share this exciting information.

Oh! That reminds me -- D told me that some Italian director is making a sequel (that has absolutely nothing to do with the original) to...are you ready?

SHOWGIRLS.

I want to note that these were the circumstances that brought us Troll 2(Italian director, nothing at all to do with the original, schlocky )

― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Monday, March 1, 2010 8:23 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

The trick would be if they kept the original cast.

No, I think it has potential! Maybe one little cameo, like the WORK IT dude or something. Troll 2 had NONE of the original cast of TROLL (which included Julia Louis Dreyfus and the kid who played Atreyu!)and it was spectacularly bad.

Thought I'd read that Rena Riffel is making her return.

ooh read where?

at work, can't google

am running to n/sfw problems myself
oh well

http://www.showgirls2.com/ (TRAILER!)

I am NOT impressed. Totally misses the point and ALSO I heard it had a $25 million budget but I am not seeing this in the trailer, like at all.

Ugh. Pass.

(Apparently Rena Riffel's character is making a return, not the actress.)

Clearly time for a Road House 2/Showgirls 2 thread.

I agree, the trailer looks terrible. Against all odds, I maintain hope.

I guess I will watch Showgirls this year, after watching Road House in '09.

"I thought you'd be...bigger."

"Pain don't hurt."

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Eternal wisdom. Along with "It was tails."