ILX TOP 50 FILMS OF 2000-2004 BALLOTS/VOTING - ends Jan. 3

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haha in state college, pa they all play at the kern graduate student center.

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The one thing I didn't like about Saved! that even with it's supposed subversiness the girl had to keep her baby - though I guess it fitted with the character, her being a devout Christian and all. Anyway, it seems like every time in an American mainstream movie someone wants to get an abortion, she either A) changes her mind at the last moment, or B) her life is ruined and she can't forget what she did even 10 years after. Has there ever been a movie whereone someone gets an abortion, griefs for a time, and gets over it?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway isnt maryland only a blue state cuz of bmore? it aint massachussets dude

maryland is a blue state cuz lots of black people live in it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Final Destination 2 had better death scenes than FD1. The last one is classic.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

guess I gotta rent that!

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Ghost World was (lightly) pitched to high school weirdoes (ala Rushmore & Nap Dynamite).

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

and cuz Bill Clinton turned Northeast Corridor suburbans into democrats

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"Has there ever been a movie whereone someone gets an abortion, griefs for a time, and gets over it?"

Fast Times At Ridgemont High?

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

ghost world's pitched at pervy old white dudes, made by pervy old white dudes - it's like fubu for whie people!


i totally would've voted for the first final destination but the experience of seeing the second one is one of the more disturbing experiences of my life (i think i've told this story before). stoked for the 3rd! death u so crafty!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Still can't ride in an elevator, can you?

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

renting this tomorrow

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

the voice had a thing about how almost noone has abortions in pop culture anymore (bigups to claire on six feet under!), how at most the more transgressive shows might go as far as show someone considering it but then breaking down and going 'i can't do it - i've made up my mind! i'm keeping my baby!', i got kinda annoyed when nip/tuck pulled this shit the other night (although i was kinda amused they had her schedule her abortion for xmas eve, at night no less - yeah, that's plausible).

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

WHAT IF MARY

'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

milo my disturbing experience had little to do with the movie (though it sure didn't help) and more to do with the surroundings.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't bring money today : (

gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

there are other methods of compensation

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

looks like she's been rimming away bullies

gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

18 ballots, 0 blurbs, numerous accusations of racism

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 16 December 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can email you blurbs once counting votes is done, I wouldn't want to write them for nothing. For example, I'd love to write a comment for Lilo & stitch, but I kinda doubt it'll make it to the top 50, so I don't want to waste my energy before it's sure.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 December 2005 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

my list will all be token teen movies except for action movies and thrillers.

maybe it will be all comic book movies!!! elektra, x-men, x-men 2, daredevil, spiderman, spiderman 2, yeah i could totally pull it off. not to mention the blades!!!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 December 2005 07:57 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, wasnt 21 grams nominated?

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That was a nice film, but the director's idea that making the timeline nonlinear would somehow make the film more profound was totally misguided.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i am wrong and also a douche for only nominating two films.

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

You were also fucked cos nominations were supposed to go on longer.

I hope somebody nominated Cube 2 : Hypercube (or whetever its bullshit name was) 'cos I really want to put it in my worse 3 ballot.

Jibé (Jibé), Friday, 16 December 2005 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

We should compare ballots, Sterling.

Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

what i've seen:

American Wedding / American Pie 3 (Dylan, 2003)
Anchorman (McKay, 2004)
Blade II (del Toro, 2002)
The Bourne Identity (Liman, 2002)
The Bourne Supremacy (Greengrass, 2004)
Bring It On (Reed, 2000)

Charlie's Angels (McG, 2000)
Collateral (Mann, 2004)

Dude, Where's My Car (Leiner, 2000)

Elf (Favreau, 2003)
Finding Nemo (Stanton, Unkrich, 2003)
Gangs of New York (Scorsese, 2002)
Ghost World (Zwigoff, 2001)
High Fidelity (Frears, 2000)
Insomnia (Nolan, 2002)
Jackass: The Movie (Tremaine, 2002)
Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (Tarantino, 2003)
Kill Bill: Vol.2 (Tarantino, 2004)
The Lord Of The Rings - The Fellowship Of The Ring (Jackson, 2001)
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Jackson, 2002)
Lord Of The Rings: Return of The King (Jackson, 2003)
Lost in Translation (Coppola, 2003)

Master And Commander: The Far Side of the World (Weir, 2003)
Meet the Parents (Roach, 2000)
Minority Report (Spielberg, 2002)
Napoleon Dynamite (Hess, 2004)
Ocean's 11 (Soderbergh, 2001)
Pirates of the Caribbean (Verbinski, 2003)
Snatch (Ritchie, 2000)
Spider-Man (Raimi, 2002)
Starsky and Hutch (Phillips, 2004)
Traffic (Soderbergh, 2000)

Vanilla Sky (Crowe, 2001)

X-Men 2 / X2 (Singer, 2003)
Zoolander (Stiller, 2001)

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

So I'm NOT trying to be a Flaming Bag of Poop here, but why do Generation Y, culturally aware, collidge-educated people seem to avoid foreign-lang films more than any recent gen? cuz it's clear Tsai ming-Liang ain't got a prayer aginst Spider-Man 2 here. Is it that folks who geek out on 'obscure' music haven't got thetime for same in film?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

film takes longer

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

access is more restricted

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

not as fun

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

not that i'm anything so gauche as gen-y

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

My impression in the UK is that there are far MORE foreign language films in normal cinemas (i.e. not explicitly arthouse places) than ever before. There have surely been far more foreign language hits in recent years than the close-to-zero hit rate in previous decades. Perhaps this isn't true in the US, I wouldn't know.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(obviously I am far from generation Y also)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

ray, you gots to see more flicks

gear (gear), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say in New York, foreign films are much rarer (and run shorter) than 20-25 years ago. A lot of stuff I saw at Toronto '03 didn't open commercially here til this year, if at all.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

MIRAMAX DUMASS

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

iI love how storytelling, ocean’s twelve, and one-hour photo didn’t get nominated

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 December 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

but why do Generation Y, culturally aware, collidge-educated people seem to avoid foreign-lang films more than any recent gen? cuz it's clear Tsai ming-Liang ain't got a prayer aginst Spider-Man 2 here.

There are several korean and japanese action/crime/comedy films that I've seen in recent years and quite enjoyed. JSA isn't one of them, really, but I think part of it comes down to this - the foreign films that come to the states come to the states to please the art house crowd; a lot of gen-y college educated people find art house cinema rather dull as of late, and would prefer something actiony, pacey, or as I would call it "well-executed" like Spider-Man 2 rather than Bad Education, by a long shot.

If they brought shit like CASSHERN and IMMORTEL to the little art house in my neighborhood I'd hella go, but mainland china epics, american indies and eurowhatever is so frequently disappointing of late I just can't be bothered.

You know what was pretty fuckin' good, that wasn't on the list, DAS EXPERIMENT.

TOMBOT, Friday, 16 December 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I kinda keep wanting to rewatch Steamboy too! Beats the shit out of that Miyazaki creepfest molesto-twee dying mystical civilizations everywhere bullshit.

TOMBOT, Friday, 16 December 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

meh, I'm talking guys with a lower profile, and oft with less ties to trad narrative filmmaking, than Almodovar. via Netflix or urban arty stores.

I call "pacey, actiony, well-executed" BIGSCREEN TV

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 December 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Beats the shit out of that Miyazaki creepfest molesto-twee dying mystical civilizations everywhere bullshit.

whatsamatta? didn't you LOVE kiki's delivery service?

also, guess what.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 16 December 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

If they brought shit like CASSHERN and IMMORTEL to the little art house in my neighborhood I'd hella go, but mainland china epics, american indies and eurowhatever is so frequently disappointing of late I just can't be bothered.
Completely right. I've probably missed some good films that came through, just because I don't even bother checking the weekly listings for my local art-houses (two Magnolia theatres and an Angelika, the Magnolias are heavy with shit I can see at any 30-plex and the Angelika is loaded with gay-themed films. Nothing wrong with that, but most of them seem to have been produced entirely because they were gay-themed and that's a helluva niche market.)

I could see a lot more foreign films through Netflix and DVDs, but I've finally broke down and admitted that I just don't like movies as much on a small screen. Even when I love something, being on my couch, with my little TV or computer, I get too many distractions. Nothing replaces a good cinema experience.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 16 December 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Fundamentally, the act of watching a film is dictated by its efilmerality; considering rockist tendencies like watching a film in a single uninterrupted sitting, there is far less flexibility to the watching experience than with other media. TV has commercial breaks, books have chapters and no preconceived notion of how much you're supposed to read at a time. I've lost my original point, but film needs to be entertaining first, though "entertaining" here is a vague and catchall term I'm using -- you might say "engaging" instead.

Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Steamboy sucks. Miyazaki sucks.

[jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 December 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

Most baffling use of "r*ckist" evah, or I'm just old.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 December 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I find i tend to read foreign films more than watch them. I can't ever manage to read the words and focus on the images on the screen at the same time, so it always feels incomplete in one way or the other. Or, at the very least its a slightly less coherent experience than watching an english language film.

Also foriegn films tend to play in the arthouse theaters, which are always small and uncomfortable with bad sound systems. thats no fun.

brontosaur, Friday, 16 December 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Morbs, is it? I think I'm using it in a very standard way, albeit applied to cinema. (I admit, though, that I forgot that I used it.)

Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, except that it doesn't really apply to cinema in any useful way at all.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

So I'm NOT trying to be a Flaming Bag of Poop here, but why do Generation Y, culturally aware, collidge-educated people seem to avoid foreign-lang films more than any recent gen? cuz it's clear Tsai ming-Liang ain't got a prayer aginst Spider-Man 2 here. Is it that folks who geek out on 'obscure' music haven't got thetime for same in film?

Short answer: Pauline Kael.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Insofar as there are expectations of the ideal effect of cinema and a rigorous and specific method of experiencing the cinema, there's an analogous rockism involved.

Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link


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