Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

a film is more than its story, but even then: a 19-20y.o. kid inventing (?) s.thing that goes on to have half a billion users and becoming one of the world's richest men, that is sort of intrinsically interesting, before you get to what the film actually does.

why does guardian have blog :-(

Everything has a blog now.

:-(

that's kinda problem when for most newspaper film coverage, a film is its story xps

Should newspapers get more bloggy, or deactivate their blog websites and exist only in paper format?
Will blogs ever be ‘as relevant’ as newspapers?
Will blogs ever go to ‘print format’, or is that part of the business just a ‘huge financial burden’?

I don't despise her writing or anything (it is a bit meh, which is why I've really not commented either way before) but I've never seen the cuteness of which you speak - she's all thin, stringy hair, with kind of average looks. Perhaps that's just what a certain kind of guy finds unthreatening and therefore winsome.

Newspaper coverage of arts is also blighted by the whole 'media partner' phenomenon.

she's all thin, stringy hair, with kind of average looks

:(

To contrast, here is one of my colleagues at a fashion week - I could have chosen from several v. attractive peeps to make my point, but maybe I'm a bit spoiled for choice.

http://www.fashionconfidential.co.uk/~/media/FC/Test%20images/JAR%20PARIS.ashx

There's so much weirdness to unpack in the last few posts it's kind of terrifying.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00041/fellaini_280x420_41323a.jpg

*spluttering tea over computer*

Sorry, but my colleague is hott and your footballer is nott.

Eye of the beholder innit

I don't despise her writing or anything (it is a bit meh, which is why I've really not commented either way before) but I've never seen the cuteness of which you speak - she's all thin, stringy hair, with kind of average looks. Perhaps that's just what a certain kind of guy finds unthreatening and therefore winsome.

Newspaper coverage of arts is also blighted by the whole 'media partner' phenomenon.

― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:50 (13 minutes ago)

nah she is legit cute, you've probably seen her thin stringy hair irl or else yr being unkind or str8 racist or something

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/contributor/2007/09/28/hadley_freeman_140x140.jpg

can't imagine she's unthreatening/winsome....but yeah probably not threatening

Average and ugly are not the same thing, and please shove any racism accusation back up whichever orifice of yours it was pulled from.

And then twist your fist.

jesus u retard, i trust yr not ~actually~ racist against white ppl

the guardian have really gone to town on the liveblogging, it won't be long before the kids will be saying 'if something happens but gu didn't liveblog it, did it really happen?'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/sep/15/tony-blair-katie-couric/print

i know it's lol old etc but it's difficult to see how this stuff works financially

Think we're on a slippery slope when we get into "this girl is average next to <6ft tall woman with model looks>" even without the insinsuations of "oh I suppose *A CERTAIN* kind of guy finds it unthreatening". Maybe that's just me.

you gotta expect sniping if yr first reply about a piece of journalism is a ref to their cuteness, usually i'd be doing the sniping tho

No I think there are other people who find her unthreatening too

xpost

Normally I wouldn't condone looks-ist sniping but given Ms Hadley's own attitude and remit I think it's fair play to be honest

Ha how many other British cliches insinuating common sense can I throw in there

Never actually read a Hadley Freeman piece as far as I can tell, the bylines alone usually scream "awful space-filling G2 fodder".

xp That response was as helpful as the racism accusation (it could be inferred from your post that anti-Semitism was at play in my appraisal of HF's looks, which makes me spit nails at 200mph). There is only one person who I'm in danger of being unkind to right now, and that's you.

Tracer - I'm normally not in the fray of who looks like what, but to be slated for essentially saying someone's 'average' is a bit silly.

MDC - my colleague has just started doing the shows and already the Streetpeepers of this world are like FOLLOW THAT FRO.

this thread is fucking horrible.

huh i am more on-board with the 'i guess a certain type of guy finds this unthreatening' inter-ilx sniping than with the need to assert that a female journalist is Not Cute.

Is Ms Freeman particularly known for looksist sniping of her own? my abiding memory of her fashion column is the one where she talks about Christine Hamilton and dressing to please yourself.

nah i wasn't implying antisemitism, i don't think thin, stringy hair is in the list of antisemitic stereotypes/slurs!

I dunno, right in the first graf there she says "women think spaghetti straps are somehow sexy because they show more shoulder flesh, when in fact they just look rubbish and droopy (and that refers to both the dress and the breasts beneath it) and, frankly, cheap and nasty."

Kind of leaves the door open.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Puppy_Koons_Bilbao_frontal.jpg/450px-Puppy_Koons_Bilbao_frontal.jpg

agreed jim

a woman saying that spaghetti straps on heavy dresses look cheap and nasty leaves the door open to calling her stringy-haired and average-looking?

does not follow.

Average is good enough for me tbh

saying 'this is a style women think is going to make them look sexy but in fact it makes their breasts look awful why because of something inherent in the dress itself' is really not looks-ist.

I'd say calling a whole phalanx of unnamed women "cheap and nasty" in a national newspaper is somewhat worse than suzy saying her hair's stringy here. YMMV

um. it's the spaghetti straps that look cheap and nasty?

the spaghetti straps are what show more shoulder flesh, not the women.

i did not realise until now that one could read that any other way.

i am having serious difficulty trying to work out how you have managed to.

If handing out fashion advice to others in a national newspaper was my job (and it's not even something I do at my own style mag), best believe the hair situ in the byline photo would be under control.

im sure she's never printed a catty opinion on another woman's appearance in her life

im sure she's never printed a catty opinion on another woman's appearance in her life

i'm sure she has! but i don't think that makes it 'fair play' to be dismissive about her appearance - and i also think it's pretty clear that her fashion column tries quite hard not to be catty about other women's appearances.

Her fashion column is, by the way, unthreatening, which is no doubt why I, as someone who knows jack shit about fashion, like it.

think we can safely absolve h freeman of being winsome and unthreatening on this evidence anyway

Is ILX discussion of female writers worse that it used to be?

nah it's always been dreadful

xpost She has, even in the column, but it's usually directed at what I'd call a soft target eg. Sarah Palin. For the record, I'm more judgmental about writing style than personal style.

Nakh, I don't think you're a terrific reader of people this morning, maybe it's time for your nap.

Suzy you can't really say to someone "I think you're wrong to say this woman is cute and by the way I am judging you in a non-specific way for thinking so" and then dismiss people for getting arsey with you.

B-b-but I just did, because it's not the same as calling someone ugly. TRAVIS, YOU'RE A YEAR TOO LATE.

yeah i think it's a bit tendentious to say someone's byline photo confers 'winsome and unthreatening' when their columns are so caustic and unkind

I didn't say you called them ugly. However, "she's all thin, stringy hair, with kind of average looks" is definitely implying the less attractive side of "average" from what I can see.