DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

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And yeah, while Thatcher didn't shrink state spending, she still sold a lot of state-owned assets off and underspent on others (health, education etc). It's just that spending on other areas (defence, welfare, police maybe) ballooned in that time.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

She also pretty much invented the Quango

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:29 (fifteen years ago)

But yeah, I'm aware that in practise the Tories haven't been that anti-big government when actually in power, but then again Labour aren't too hot on social democracy when in power either.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:30 (fifteen years ago)

They were pretty good on early years stuff. It's almost like there was a religious thing with Labour - kids are innocent, so it's OK to help them out, but adults deserve everything that's coming to them.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:34 (fifteen years ago)

Kids play better with voters, "child poverty" is really adult poverty most of the time. Poor single people don't resonate as much.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:36 (fifteen years ago)

Could be interesting having a "single person" as leader of the Labour Party. Single people generally don't exist in political debate. Oh hold on, he has a (hard working, no doubt) family.

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:38 (fifteen years ago)

Think we had a "single person" as PM for a few years back in the 70s.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:39 (fifteen years ago)

He took up two seats though (boom boom)

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:42 (fifteen years ago)

Terribly musical and fond of hanging out with sailors I believe

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:42 (fifteen years ago)

there's a lot of innuendo but if he rly was a 'confirmed bacheler' it would have been revealed by now

he seems to have been a very difficult character (scrupulously unpleasant) and kinda ascetic, different generation and all that

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:18 (fifteen years ago)

Oh yeah, Ted was just a weirdo

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:19 (fifteen years ago)

i like how he left his entire will to preserve his house as a museum/archive in perpetuity, but there's not enough money (clearly wasn't whoring it enough on the after-dinner circuit)

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:23 (fifteen years ago)

there's a lot of innuendo but if he rly was a 'confirmed bacheler' it would have been revealed by now

I'm sure this was pretty much confirmed.

Apparently he was 'seen' hanging around HamHeath back before his political career took off, and was told if he wanted to pursue his ambitions, he'd have to give up "all that". and so he did.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

Stuck to playing with his organ thereafter

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

if it begins w/ 'apparently' and connects edward w/ his hampstead namesake then it's probably innuendo

you may be right tho

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:32 (fifteen years ago)

No wonder he was grumpy

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)

I don't blame him.

The 'apparently' is mine: I saw this on a BBC doc, but I can't remember who it was who said it, but he was very definite that it was him who said it to EdHeath.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

Something was definitely in someone's endo /dadjoek

are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

xp - this was certainly the claim on the delightful Brian Coleman, but then he would say just about anything for a couple of (column) inches.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/brian-coleman/2007/04/gay-member-london-heath

Duncan Donuts (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:47 (fifteen years ago)

"of" the delightful, etc...

Duncan Donuts (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:47 (fifteen years ago)

Andrew Witty, chief executive of the pharmaceuticals company GlaxoSmithKline, and Paul Walsh, chief executive of Diageo, will become members of the Prime Minister's new business advisory group.
'New' business advisory group:
Walsh and Witty were both members of Brown's Business Council for Britain

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:21 (fifteen years ago)

Sounds quangoid to me

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

from blair babes to glaxo babies

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

nice!

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

"Quangoloid, he was a quangoloid
One cronyism too many"

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/29/lady-warsi-british-press-anti-islam

they might have used an actual elected politician to make this point? no?

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)

Think if they wanted an actual elected politician they've have a choice of two iirc.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:42 (fifteen years ago)

So she's worried about the anti-Islam press but comes out with unsubstantiated claims in which she blames asian communties?

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:16 (fifteen years ago)

From her numerous appearances on TV over the years this woman appears to be an idiot - albeit a useful for one for the Tories

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:55 (fifteen years ago)

i still fail to see why the milis couldn't have formed an RFK-JFK style dynamic duo

tho i guess RFK and JFK's brilliant move in that regard was to not uh run for president at the same time as each other

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)

i think you're underestimating the older/younger dynamic too. and kennedy sr. basically told them what to do careerwise iirc. the miliband's don't really have that (via dead father). the situations aren't that comparable.

caek, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:04 (fifteen years ago)

In the old days the press made all this sound like great fun—all those beautiful rich people playing touch football on the lawn—but in retrospect, one suspects it was hard duty being one of Joseph P. Kennedy’s four sons. The competition, according to Teddy’s memoir, was not part of a paternal plan to develop a son into a president, but only a way of preparing them all to excel in “public service.”

^^^ pretty important part of making what is an unusual situation work. kennedys are total outliers in this regard.

caek, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:06 (fifteen years ago)

taking into account their privileged starting position, it's not hugely onerous either imo.like four sons of a well respected farmer jockeying to become a local councillor or w/e

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:23 (fifteen years ago)

nah, kennedy bros took turns by age and had a boss.

caek, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

sounds like a man utd night out

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:44 (fifteen years ago)

BOOM

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:48 (fifteen years ago)

Looks like the tactic of pulling Warsi out of Question Time and shunting Grant Shapps on in her place backfired, then.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

w'happen

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

Just dreadful bollocks the whole way through, nothing stand out.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:55 (fifteen years ago)

that's probably an improvement on lady w and the likelihood of her saying something blogworthily dreadful

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

nominations accepted for a morbish nickname for her ......

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

actually i don't think any uk pol has a morbsname yet? get to work ppl

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:28 (fifteen years ago)

Hospitals - Encouraged to move outside the NHS to become "vibrant" industry of social enterprises

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:16 (fifteen years ago)

Nice one, Liberals

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2010 09:19 (fifteen years ago)

The BMA also took issue with the "obsession" with competition, saying GPs would be set against hospitals - one of the objectives of the changes is to get more care done more cheaply outside hospitals.

No shit. I've no idea how "competition" is supposed to work in the NHS, or "choice" for that matter. I want my local hospital in Lewisham to be as good as possible if I need an operation, I don't want to "choose" to go to Enfield for it.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:22 (fifteen years ago)

I blame Blair and Patricia Hewitt in particular for totally buying into all this bullshit, it seemed screamingly obvious it would enable the Tories to sell the NHS off piece by piece as soon as they got back in.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:24 (fifteen years ago)

one of the objectives of the changes is to get more care done more cheaply outside hospitals.

.. bus drivers to supervise baby deliveries

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:02 (fifteen years ago)

Operations to be carried out in the car park

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:03 (fifteen years ago)

Hey Mark - it's the story near the end - http://hackneypodcast.co.uk/2010/02/edition-17-buses/

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:08 (fifteen years ago)

Don't give a fuck about this, never heard of it before but this quote:

"Nothing is more symbolic of Labour's war on the motorist than the M4 bus lane."

Cunts.

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)


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