"Hipster" as pejorative.

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duh

http://yepwecan.co.uk/category/regulars/top-chumps/

ed chilliband (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://nymag.com/news/features/69129/

max, Monday, 25 October 2010 06:53 (fifteen years ago)

i am glad that for once someone is trying to define hipster instead of just writing about how bad 'hipsters' are and pretending that everyone can agree on what a hipster is

but the article is still pretty dumb

max, Monday, 25 October 2010 06:56 (fifteen years ago)

what do you think is dumb about it?

sarahel, Monday, 25 October 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)

True countercultures may wax and wane in numbers, but a level of youth hostility to the American official compromise has been continuous since World War II. Over the past decade, hipsters have mixed with particular elements of anarchist, free, vegan, environmentalist, punk, and even anti-capitalist communities. One glimpses behind them the bike messengers, straight-edge skaters, Lesbian Avengers, freegans, enviro-anarchists, and interracial hip-hoppers who live as they please, with a spiritual middle finger always raised.

max, Monday, 25 October 2010 07:48 (fifteen years ago)

the phrase "interracial hip-hoppers" for one

max, Monday, 25 October 2010 07:48 (fifteen years ago)

writing out the lyrics to "My Girls" is two

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 25 October 2010 12:59 (fifteen years ago)

fwiw I do agree with that article that "hipness" in terms of being the first to know about obscure cool things has pretty much come and gone. things don't "cross over" anymore b/c there isn't really an "underground" they're ever confined to in the first place; everything is pop, just not always popular pop.

Here, however, “blank parody” gave way to a reconstruction of past techniques more perfect than the originals, in an irony without sarcasm, bitterness, or critique. Reflexivity was used as a means to get back to sentimental emotion.

totally disagree with this. I guess maybe there was a time when this was true and I just missed it cuz I was too young, but to me, Wes Anderson and McSweeney's shit seemed like it was for flatlanders and NPR dads from day 1 of century 21. twee is not hipster (although yes, it also involves white ppl)

The hipster is a savant at picking up the tiny changes of rapidly cycling consumer distinction. [...] Hipsterdom at its darkest, however, is something like bohemia without the revolutionary core. Among hipsters, the skills of hanging-on—trend-spotting, cool-hunting, plus handicraft skills—become the heroic practice. The most active participants sell something—customized brand-name jeans, airbrushed skateboards, the most special whiskey, the most retro sunglasses—and the more passive just buy it.

maybe it's just the Hardt+Negri in me but I feel like hipsterism, although inseparable from a certain system of hypertrophied cultural production, is itself an active productive process: people sorting through the vast detritus of what is no longer cutting-edge cool in search of workable (and cheap) alternatives to the dominant aesthetics. it's bricolage! and yeah obviously anything cool enough that comes of this process will be quickly reassimilated into mainstream culture, but I don't see why that means we gotta take potshots at the kids who do it.

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:03 (fifteen years ago)

One could say, exaggerating only slightly, that the hipster moment did not produce artists, but tattoo artists, who gained an entire generation’s arms, sternums, napes, ankles, and lower backs as their canvas. It did not produce photographers, but snapshot and party photographers: Last Night’s Party, Terry Richardson, the Cobra Snake. It did not produce painters, but graphic designers. It did not yield a great literature, but it made good use of fonts. And hipsterism did not make an avant-garde; it made communities of early adopters.

maybe all of the artistic forms u lament the absence of are bankrupt as means of expression. maybe ur mad because you want some1 to make u art and hipsters wont do it even tho u think theyd be good at it. maybe hipsters created a great literature and u just dont know how to read the signs.

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:09 (fifteen years ago)

Death of the hipster:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/holy_hipsters_flock_to_church_5CIUEYTsvqbkGgws0cV7YP?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME

Bobby Short, Wayne Shorter (Hurting 2), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:10 (fifteen years ago)

maybe hipsters created a great literature and u just dont know how to read the signs.

yeah i'm sure tha
http://mhpbooks.com/media/image/medium/Shoplifting_TaoLin_2009-08-31-16-08-09.jpg

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 25 October 2010 13:11 (fifteen years ago)

On Sunday evenings, a Hispanic Lutheran church on the gritty south side of Williamsburg transforms into a hipster religious revival with plenty of fashion but no irony.

Worshippers with full-sleeve tattoos, skinny jeans, stocking caps and square glasses pack the pews of Resurrection Presbyterian Church on South Fifth Street.

"The fellowship with everyone here is amazing," said Shaun Lee, 30, a skinny, scruffy East Village bartender who sports a skullcap and cargo jacket to service.

The congregation has grown fivefold since it started in 2005, with up to 150 people on Sundays.
PARTY HOST: Cool young people receive Communion at an artsy hipster church in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
J.C. Rice
PARTY HOST: Cool young people receive Communion at an artsy hipster church in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

The aisles are full of artists, actors, fashion stylists and musicians.

Even the pastor, the Rev. Vito Aiuto -- trained at the Princeton Seminary -- is in a band, and has recorded music with indie hero Sufjan Stevens, an occasional congregant.

"I feel at home here," said Travis Johnson, 28, who rigs music equipment for Nine Inch Nails, My Bloody Valentine and other bands. Johnson discovered the church when he happened upon Aiuto's album in a Williamsburg record store.

Live jazz accompanies the collection, and church suppers include plenty of red wine, but the holy hipsters are serious about Christ. During services, parishioners raise their arms in prayer and confess that God saved them from "the power of the devil."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/holy_hipsters_flock_to_church_5CIUEYTsvqbkGgws0cV7YP?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME#ixzz13NNepJkc

Bobby Short, Wayne Shorter (Hurting 2), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:11 (fifteen years ago)

One could say, exaggerating only slightly, that the hipster moment did not produce artists, but tattoo artists, who gained an entire generation’s arms, sternums, napes, ankles, and lower backs as their canvas. It did not produce photographers, but snapshot and party photographers: Last Night’s Party, Terry Richardson, the Cobra Snake. It did not produce painters, but graphic designers. It did not yield a great literature, but it made good use of fonts. And hipsterism did not make an avant-garde; it made communities of early adopters.

i was saying this in '99

incredible zing banned (history mayne), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:12 (fifteen years ago)

whiney I didn't say that hipsterature (nu word?) would come in the form of books. these r stories that were never told, stories that must be pieced 2gether from mere traces: a "sent messages" folder, a tumblr post, graffiti.

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:14 (fifteen years ago)

well that's some nice trolling

incredible zing banned (history mayne), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

perhaps reflecting on a graphic designers unorthodox choice of font can be as revelatory abt the state of modern america as reading freedom: a novel by jonathan franzen

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)

even the dropped apostrophe tells a story: a story about loss, sadness, the death of a dream. what happened 2 the days when every1 wanted 2 be 'taken seriously'? what happened 2 'making a statement'? feels like boomers want us to keep doing r thing but also 'bust their balls' about the environment/racism/whatever and we're too lazy to, so instead they just spend $$$ on tix to another sting jagger concert.

~someone still loves you the arcade fire~

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

xp upthread - i think your point about bricolage is kinda similar to what Jameson says about pastiche - but it's been 15 years since i've read that Jameson essay.

sarahel, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:49 (fifteen years ago)

I guess maybe there was a time when this was true and I just missed it cuz I was too young, but to me, Wes Anderson and McSweeney's shit seemed like it was for flatlanders and NPR dads from day 1 of century 21.

you're too young.

sarahel, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:50 (fifteen years ago)

"NPR" as pejorative

Darin, Monday, 25 October 2010 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

america as pejorative

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)

culture as rubbish

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 17:15 (fifteen years ago)

(my dad likes NPR)

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 17:15 (fifteen years ago)

I finally figured out how to do the Garrison Keillor voice, you gotta hold your tongue up off the bottom of your mouth so it blocks your airway a lil' bit

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Monday, 25 October 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

PARTY HOST: Cool young people receive Communion at an artsy hipster church in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

lol

great pic too

goole, Monday, 25 October 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

hasn't the son of billy graham been doing hipster outreach in NYC for some time now?
i read about some schism between him and pops, but don't know if they've welcomed his
brand of leftist, tattooed evangelism back into the flock.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 25 October 2010 17:25 (fifteen years ago)

Since I just got out of the subject of that Hilary Duff PSA... THAT'S SO HIPSTER!

Just breaking it in, feels comfy (MintIce), Monday, 25 October 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)

just realized i might be conflating billy graham's estranged, pierced son with hank williams iii.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 25 October 2010 19:32 (fifteen years ago)

thought that was jim and tammy faye's kid?

womack and bolio's (donna rouge), Monday, 25 October 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

i think you're right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Charles_Bakker
they must all have mistakenly formed some kind of hipster trinity in my head.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 25 October 2010 20:23 (fifteen years ago)

"The fellowship with everyone here is amazing," said Shaun Lee, 30, a skinny, scruffy East Village bartender who sports a skullcap and cargo jacket to service.

if i was a 30 year old who still dressed like that did bar work, i'd be praying too.

ed chilliband (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 25 October 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)

http://yepwecan.co.uk/uploads/2010/10/highstreet-heartthrob1-540x382.jpg

this is sport science bro's older brother or something.

http://yepwecan.co.uk/highstreet-heartthrob/

ed chilliband (max arrrrrgh), Monday, 25 October 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

damn

blud fuiud (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

h8 that cunt

blud fuiud (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

metrosexual failed professional footballer from the home counties

http://videocelts.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Eagles.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00731/Chris_Eagles_731740i.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/07/article-0-059EDE3E000005DC-517_468x279.jpg

blud fuiud (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8092439/Superman-the-20-year-old-hoodie-wearing-hipster.html

In 'Superman: Earth One', released earlier this week in comic book stores, Clark Kent has been drawn for a contemporary audience as a young man unsure how to use his super-strength and ability to fly, as he struggled to find a job.

Cunga, Friday, 29 October 2010 08:02 (fifteen years ago)

People I know keep linking this, but it seems kind of patronizing and empty to me:

http://vimeo.com/15351309

your favorite homoerotic savior imagery (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 November 2010 02:34 (fifteen years ago)

what was the 'hipster'?

klacktoveedesteen (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 1 November 2010 16:53 (fifteen years ago)

that's the article max & i were discussing.

sarahel, Monday, 1 November 2010 17:32 (fifteen years ago)

Not bad: "It did not produce painters, but graphic designers. It did not yield a great literature, but it made good use of fonts. And hipsterism did not make an avant-garde; it made communities of early adopters."

s.clover, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

haha everyone else quoted the same bit already.

s.clover, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

Hey did youvguys see this article also unhappy hipster blog also this other thing hipster

OH AND ITS WAVVES (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:07 (fifteen years ago)

hey did you know, someone did a blog with pictures of dogs with funny captions about hipsters?

sarahel, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:08 (fifteen years ago)

I bet that guy's got it made and totally not miserable

OH AND ITS WAVVES (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:10 (fifteen years ago)

bet he's a poster child for knowing how to live, and doesn't get irate about trivial bullshit a bunch of nobodies post on a message board.

Hey, and you know what, there's this totally hilarious game you can play ... called HIPSTER BINGO

sarahel, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:11 (fifteen years ago)

in fact i bet that hipster puppies guy spends every day getting free refills at the pussy buffet!

sarahel, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:14 (fifteen years ago)

hel hath no fury

Terminal Boredoms (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)

Not bad: "It did not produce painters, but graphic designers. It did not yield a great literature, but it made good use of fonts. And hipsterism did not make an avant-garde; it made communities of early adopters."

― s.clover, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:04 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is nonsense, as if popular culture and commerce had NOTHING to do with each other until recently or NOBODY liked trivial bullshit in the good old days.

ed chilliband (max arrrrrgh), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:21 (fifteen years ago)

No results found for "warren 'pussy' buffet"

Terminal Boredoms (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:25 (fifteen years ago)

"this is nonsense, as if popular culture and commerce had NOTHING to do with each other until recently or NOBODY liked trivial bullshit in the good old days."

I'm not sure that there wasn't always a commercial interest in warfare, but I don't think that invalidates the warning against a military-industrial complex, and that things got worse in that respect since Eisenhower?'s warning. Also, doesn't this feel like the golden age of trivial bullshit? We were definitely in a trivial bullshit malaise for a while.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)


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