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If it's hard to be a saint in the city, is it at all possible to be a hipster in the suburbs?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

suburbanites are less common in the latter.

do you mean there are fewer of them, or that they are posher?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, Hoxditch is aglow with kebab joints - that's hardly a suburbanite exclusive, nor are any of the other things described.

uh, it was just an analogy. nasty kebabs & clubbing - I wasn't referring to the urban/provincial war.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Hipsters are just ex-suburbanites who grew up "different" and went to the City so they could EXPRESS THEIR INDIVIDUALITY, MAAAAAAAN, but then ended up all Being Different Together.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

going back to something else DL pointed out, where are the most urban sheep? the occur in Zone 5 (along with cattle), any nearer to the centre than that?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Kate OTM. It's my mission in life to be a hipster. That's why I hate them SO MUCH!! ;-)

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see cows from my flat, and live in OX1, ie the centre of Oxford. Anything is possible.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Self-conscious fashion-followers with superiority complexes and a need to be ostentatious about their hipsterism.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

There are sheep in Shoreditch, at the city farm.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Wrong Mark thread but thx!

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

hipster is a straw man that is rapidly becoming useless in discussing these topics i think. it can't be pinned down. most people are trying to be cool - at least THEIR cool.

enrique i would expect cows in Oxford, but...Zone 3?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

some nice sheep in stepping stones farm, stepney, zone 2

― pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

actually Mark C just pinned down hipsters pretty well there

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Except usually that ostentation is another way of proving JUST HOW FAR THEY HAVE ESCAPED FROM THE SUBURBS, MAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Looking at those photos of the Venue caused me to fly into a blind rage and smash my monitor on the floor. I am now typing blind in the hope that this will reach theo correct threas.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

sheep are hip

― pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yes Mark as opposed to "the real hipsters in society, THE ONES HELPING THE CHILDREN, the doctors and the butchers who hide their hipsterism behind their work! THE REAL PEOPLE, LIVING REAL LIVES, FAR AWAY FROM THIS "ART" BOLLOCKS. Come down to the constabulary, you'll see ART there you bloody liberal."

Jesus Christ! Not to criticise anyone "ordinary" if such a person exists, for a second, but what is the point of anyone being hip if they're meant to hide it so Mark or whoever doesn't feel it's ostentatious. If that isn't knee jerk conservatism, DRESS LIKE ME, I don't know what is

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

sheep << pigs

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, it was the wrong thread. Hardly made a difference, though.

Mmm, the Venue. It was a real treat to see a band there - after ULU it was just about the most perfect venue of the lot.

xpost - feeling touchy, Ronan?

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

pigs are timeless, sheep are hip

― pete b. (pete b.), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Could someone post a picture of an Ironic haircut, I'm not sure I know what one is.

― Bidfurd, Friday, 11 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Hipster is a negative word, dude. Be stylish, be original, be trend-setting, be artistic all you like. Nothing I said gets in the way of that. Hipster guilt is a sad thing, Ronan.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

let us learn to be more like the pigs.

Photoshoppers: sheep with Hoxton fins please!

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

So at what point does it become "ostentatious" then?

Once it's no longer fitting whatever salt of the earth nonsensical theory you've brewed up?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i had one of my worst clubbing experiences at the Limelight club (now the Walkabout) on Charing Cross Road. i think it was £13 to get in, very nice interior what with it being converted church. music was pretty bad (mostly hard house, some trance) and the clientele kinda non-descript, but the bar was v expensive and i bought two drinks for myself only to have a bouncer grab me and ask why i was nicking people's drinks after i'd taken a sip from both. hilarious/depressing. too loud to actually talk to anybody too of course, so just watched my mate pull this gorgeous girl (who'd been with us on the night anyway) and avoided eye contact with white shirted man.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

let us learn to be more like the pigs.

DL: we've not me have we?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

So, what are everyone's plans for tonight then?

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Met, not me. Oh dear.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

What's your fucking problem, Ronan?

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

complaining about "a need to be ostentatious about their hipsterism" is basically a point blank problem with the entire concept of people doing things differently.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

someone wears a yellow hat and walks down the street, does that make them more ostentatious than if they walk down the street not wearing the hat?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread needs more PLUR. And more Dell Dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

TimH: hm? Nope. Y?

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"dog latin brah says chill out brody internet hardmen dudes!"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i didn't read that in Mark's post Ronan. I thought he was otm wrt to what i see as people championing tack, obnoxious fads ('i didn't do it') and being vacuous in general. this to me = 'hipsters' tho i recognise definitions may be different. obv. i try and be cool but i don't like to shout it from the rooftops or draw that much attention to myself (apart from when i wear THE SHIRT, or THE SUIT of course).

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

DL: more like a pig would be hard for me to achieve, I fear.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"can't we all just like chill, dudes?"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

anyway hipsters are getting a lot of stick but they don't act thuggish much do they (unlike some types you will encounter in suburban and West End clubs), so not all bad eh?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Ronan, if you're not even going to try and look beyond the first layer of complexity (i.e. not "he's wearing a hat!" but "why is he wearing a hat?") then I can't be bothered to talk to you any more.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

B&T morphed into PMS

I recall it being the "S&M crowd" - Scarborough & Mississauga, natch. (Sadly, I am from Scarborough), but in recent years I found the area code slur much more common, i.e. - "Richmond Street is full of annoyoing 905ers"

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

also, yes, yes, this is the response I deserve...

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

YOU CAN'T WIN, I guess is the moral of this rambling story. Actually also I just hate going to a club where twats you don't even know will be all "I heard about you" the next week if you so much as talk to a girl, small town crap, grrr.

Ha, this is how the Accra rumour mill works. My sex life doesn't exist, therefore it has been invented for me.

And this thread is insania. Can't we get back to swapping shitty clubbing experiences instead of dragging a bloody hipsterism/class/snobbery rehash into it? It's harshing my buzz.

― Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, as this thread becomes more and more about hipsters, and less and less about class, I no longer feel the need to follow it...

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, I think Ronan might might saying that EVERYONE dresses the way they do to project their membership of whatever subculture they wish to seem included in. If he's not saying that, then I will.

And even if you'll claim you don't, well, I do. Do you hate me?

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

also, going back to the B&T thing, here in New York it's not even so much a pejorative any more, but it is useful in describing certain conditions. And as far as class goes, while it is very expensive to live here, B&T in my mind usually describes people who are much richer than city dwellers, yet with less class. Kinda like nouveau riche or something. B&T is such an interesting phenomenon, esp. now as clubs get spread around the city. You now have B&T-catering clubs in actual B&T areas (outer boroughs, mainly).

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

B&T to me means big muscly men with thick necks and aftershave, who pile into a white SUV with their girlfriends and go to either NV or Groovejet

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

right, and they have more money than us.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

why do you want this thread to be about class Kate?

i didn't like the idea of Hoxditch for years because i assumed it was full of people taking the idea of being 'hip' to unattractive (to me) extremes - see my definition of hip on the Define Hip thread - class didn't come into this. but i didn't feel at all comfortable whenever i hung out there (not often) even just a few years back (99-01) for a number of reasons. i thought the are was ugly, dangerous and just lacked 'soul' - but my perception v distorted because i knew the east side of town so poorly and was naturally biased. conversely (and perversely) i was envious because it was constantly hyped and still popular after saturation point and i would have liked to have been able to latch onto that earlier (no point anyway by the time i started going to clubs round that way). the western equivalent - Ladbroke Grove - didn't seem to have the same sort of buzz or attention paid to it, tho i felt v alien round that way too at first.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I never wanted the thread to be about class! Class was thrown at me by way of an insult, and I felt like I had to defend myself. Now that's stopped and the conversation has moved on to hipster and crappy clubs, I don't feel like I have to defend anything. So, carry on, then.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

stence - they certainly act like it sometimes; it's weird, like a totally different world, with different slang, different expectations.. i see it as totally integral to New York though, it's just as legit a NY phenomenon as.. oh, the crowd/scene/action at Motor City Bar for instance. those guys at NV and Groovejet are more "local" than half the kids in the LES usually i.e. they grew up in Randolph New Jersey, or Patchogue, or Roslyn, their friend's been organizing club nights since junior high etc. i think that's what can be hard for "classier" kids to accept

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

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